OT: Tokarev's are in

Just remember not to fire hot CZ-52 spec ammo in them. There were a lot of 7.62x25mm burp guns...hate to lose a forum friend.

John
 
I know.

But I thought there were only 2 .45 Lugers ever made. Those were for the American Army, which was considering adopting the Luger but wanted a heavier caliber. IIRC.
 
Wow. Always wanted one of those! Gonna contact my local gun dealer and maybe order one!

I have heard conflicting stories regarding whether the TT33 or CZ 52 is the stronger gun. I know I got some Yugo ammo from Sportsmans Guide that was mega hot and mine handled it.
 
HD,

Everything I've read indicates the CZ is stronger. Here are some sources:
(mention comparative strength)
http://www.makarov.com/cz52/index.html
http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIIC2f.html
(The CZ-52...utilizes a roller locking system to safely use all sorts of Tok ammo, from less powerful loads for the Tokarev pistol, to very powerful loads meant for this handgun (Czech M48 round))

(general info)
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg58-e.htm
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg20-e.htm

Both interesting pieces, regardless.

John
 
That site also claims to have new P-38's, Nazi-marked. :eek:

Original serial Tokarev... tempting. But would you shoot it?

Almost, no, it is a collector's item.

Do these guys have a time machine? If so, I'll take an MP-40 Schmeisser.... settle if I have to for MP-38.


Ad Astra :eek:
 
hollowdweller said:
Southern Ohio Gun has Nazi marked P38's and Lugers

http://www.southernohiogun.com/surplushandguns.html
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Whoa! No, thanks. I just like carbines in pistol calibers: Marlin Camp Carbine, H&K has a .45 high-tech one, stuff like THAT. Would like a MP-40 as a plinker, not for "era value". I have living uncles that dropped bombs on the original owners of this "memorabilia". Appreciate the info, though, HD.

The Tokarev, though, hmmm. Seen them cheaper by far, but much more recent & not collectors like these.

I do have a wartime made (1941) nazi-marked Mauser HSc, but I rebarrelled it from .32 to .380- drop in, didn't destroy value.

I didn't want this gun. My next door neighbor tried to kill himself with it. I wound up with it when his wife sold off all his firearms- and I paid a fair price for it, to help them out financially. I should sell it.


Ad Astra
 
I'd Love to have one of those P-38s!!!! Not because it has nazi marks or anything, just because it is an original steel framed P-38!!!!
I love that pistol, always have since I was a kid and the old man traded some mechanic work for one.
And I could take the money out of my savings and get it but these days there are just so many more guns that are smaller, lighter, just as good if not better, and with more capacity that I just can't justify it.:rolleyes: :grumpy:
Now if they were the same price as the T-33, Lookout!!!! :eek: :rolleyes: :p :D ;)

However I know that one of these days I'll probably be kickin my ass because I didn't just bite the bullet and get one while I had the chance.:rolleyes: :mad:
 
Yvsa said:
I'd Love to have one of those P-38s!!!! Not because it has nazi marks or anything, just because it is an original steel framed P-38!!!!
I love that pistol, always have since I was a kid and the old man traded some mechanic work for one.
And I could take the money out of my savings and get it but these days there are just so many more guns that are smaller, lighter, just as good if not better, and with more capacity that I just can't justify it.:rolleyes: :grumpy:
Now if they were the same price as the T-33, Lookout!!!! :eek: :rolleyes: :p :D ;)

However I know that one of these days I'll probably be kickin my ass because I didn't just bite the bullet and get one while I had the chance.:rolleyes: :mad:
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When I was a kid my grandad had 2 pistols he let us kids play with. We weren't allowed to point them even though they were unloaded but we could fight an imaginary battle. They were the "german luger" which was really an old P38 from WW2, and an old Owl Head 38 break top. When he died they sold them to help pay funeral expenses but I have always wanted an Owl Head or P38 just cause of the sentimental value.

My Grandad taught me a great love of guns, sassafras tea, eating ramps and WV history. He was a staunch Republican, but a union organizer for the Textile Workers of America and a machinist. He always had a bunch of dogs named after prominent Republicans, but did have a skinny cur named after one of the Johnsons, and a standard poodle named DeGaulle. Good dude! He was part Cherokee and never called anyone by their real name. I was Grizzley bear and my Brother was Kodiak. My cousins were Brick and Moose. My mom and her sister Bats, Cats, and Rats, my shy uncle was "stud" ;)
 
Ad Astra said:
The Tokarev, though, hmmm. Seen them cheaper by far, but much more recent & not collectors like these.

Ad Astra
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These TOKs are real collector items because they don't have the bogus add-on safety. Highly desirable. I've been looking for one for years.

Ice
 
Raghorn- Yep. To ship direct to you, a C&R would be necessary.

Otherwise, it would need to be shipped to an 01-FFL.

Brian
 
Let's muddy the waters a bit on the CZ vs. TT strength issue.

Clicky

It's one heck of a long URL. If it doesn't work, try a quick search on Google of rec.guns. This one's been done to death there. Try adding "Clark Magneson" to the search - he's one of the more vocal proponents of the TT camp and has done some testing to failure that supports his views.

Basically, he believes that the most likely mode of failure for the CZ is actually the chamber cracking, leading to a split barrel. The TT has a considerably thicker chamber wall and tolerates the same loads without issue. Action strength isn't a factor in either case, although the CZ's action ought to be the stronger of the two.

I'm not entirely convinced either way, but Clark's evidence is compelling.
 
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