Our troll problem.

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Originally posted by Yvsa
...I always just search the Himalayan Imports Forum when I'm doing a search for a post or posts that's on the forum, saves a lot of time.:D
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Searching on all open forums sometimes shows other shenanegins on other sections here. Sort of like our latest incarnation. There were a few other posts on other forums to either boost the post count or for some other odd reason.
 
Just pondering on this thread after a nice Chinese dinner... :D Anyone of us can make sure that this thread stays "on top" for several days. Just type in "agreed", or something similiar, and it will allow other forumites to be advised as to a common sense M.O.

After that, if we have a newcomer who enters with the same grammatical, spelling and punctuation errors, (atrtitude problems, too) we can remain vigil, and not engage him in any way... Newcombers do not normally complai if their questions are not immediately answered anyway... :rolleyes:

Yvsa remained quite the consummate gentleman even today, considering the below the belt attacks he sustained during the past several weeks. Even now, he's just thinking about all of us, not wanting someone to rain in our most happy parade here on the forum. If we follow the suggestions given, the troll will move on, and we can stay focused in on khukuris and our individual expressions of HIKV. ;)

Dan :)
 
I used to be part of an outstanding firearms bulletin board.

After a few years of what can only be described as almost idyllic conversation and fellowship, we started getting a literal parade of trolls.

We tried ignoring them, but they were so persistant and posted so much offensive garbage on the site that it was no longer possible to ignore them.

We tried reasoning with them.

Some even tried fighting them via heated debates and these often times degenerated into namecalling of the most vulgar nature.

The one thing the admins refused to do it seemed, was to ban these troublemakers.

The net result was the veritable self-destruction of the website. Lots of really swell guys and guys left for other sites and only the trolls remained to continue to foul the place.

I am an admin now on a website, and I have what is basically a one-strike rule - maybe.

If a person's conduct is so egregious that no level of (apparent) remorse can atone for it, their account is terminated and we keep an eye on them via IP tracking mechanisms and computer names (yeah, I know it's limited, but it's better than nothing).

Generally, when a person comes across as a troll, one of us admins will attempt to contact them and let them know they are crossing some lines we don't want them to cross.

Depending on their replies - or not - they are allowed to remain, or are terminated.

I don't believe in the old "ignore them and they'll go away" methodology, because I've seen the damage that can be done by an exceptionally malevolent and persistant troll.

When I discovered that firearms website, I had the worst job I'd ever had in my life. The guys and gals on that site were my only link to sanity at times.

I miss them, and that website, even now, two or three years later. I'd really hate to have to put The Cantina in the same box in my memory as ShootersTalk.com.

My opinion? A one time "counseling" of the troll. If that is ineffective, then delete his account. Period.

Life's too short. Allowing a troll to come in and tarnish the place is like letting someone into your backyard barbecue and him peeing in the potato salad. Yeah, if you ignore him he might leave. But he's still ruined the potato salad. And if he doesn't leave, he continues to dump unmentionable substances into the other food items.

Don
 
As is often the case our friend Yvsa is right on the money...I couldn't agree more. Ignore an annoying "child" and they eventually go away. If not you "spank" them as Rusty did :D .
 
Heee ehe, I think yer right Bruise. Blood has some uses too.

Trollikin, Trollikins, I don't hafta be nice to nithings.
 
Originally posted by Ferrous Wheel
Trollikin, Trollikins, I don't hafta be nice to nithings.
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Keith that is true, you don't have to be nice to nithings, but at least do it for Bill. If we don't feed the troll he won't bother us.
However should he continue he -will- be banned as he has in the past. I agree with Don in his post above that banning trolls is the best bet, but then I'm also glad the moderators here use a light hand with their power's.
 
I agree w/ Yvsa...
I'm up for the ignoring when we find BuraFan...

The worst part (for him) is, he has probably ordered at least one HI khuk from Uncle, who would know his mailing address. On any future specials, Burafan's address would stand out like a sore thumb to Uncle Bill. I would not want to be in Burafan's perdicument... ;)
 
If we're supposed to be ignoring this guy, why are there 33 posts on the subject? :rolleyes:
 
It's a question that begs an answer, Rusty. That's my point. If we're supposed to be ignoring this guy, why are we giving him the attention he wants by talking about it. I don't know, I want you to tell me.
 
Originally posted by ichor
It's a question that begs an answer, Rusty. That's my point. If we're supposed to be ignoring this guy, why are we giving him the attention he wants by talking about it. I don't know, I want you to tell me.
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I've never believed any problem that is a problem, is solved by ignoring it.

However, I do think it's important for the civilized and mature members of any community to discuss problems like trolls so that the members of the community can at least get a sense of how the community views the problem, and to discuss ways of dealing with it.

Not doing anything about a problem because you don't want to face it, is immature and self-destructive, but -- to conscisouly decide to NOT do something, is in fact a decision, and that counts, in my book anyway.

What is important here, is that the community members who love this place and the terrific people who visit it, at least have a sense of community's level of tolerance, and how the community thinks on the issue.

So, if the troll is somehow getting his jollies because we are discussing how to best deal with his churlish behavior, then so be it. But whatever comes out of the discussion, at least we will know, and the troll will know, that the response he is getting is the response the community CHOOSES to give, and not what the troll is simply eliciting from attempting to punch our hot-buttons. In other words, this discussion re-affirms that it is us, the decent people who still retain the power in the situation, and not the immature scoundrel.

I've basically said my piece on it - one warning, and then "ZAP!". Life's too short. The older I get, the less gladly I suffer rude people.

But if the powers that be prefer a different approach, then I as a guest here will abide by their wishes, just as I would if I were a guest in their home or business.

Don
 
If the thing reappears, I will ignore it. If Rusty chooses to ban it, he will save me the trouble, with my wholehearted support. Hopefully, there will be no pangs of conscience on his part over the possibility of 'convicting an honest man'. This is just a forum, after all. It is best to err on the conservative when protecting your family.

I'm with you, Don.
 
The problem with discussing these people is that encourages them. Any responce at all encourages them, the more upset you get and the more you degrade them the more it encourages them.

You can make fun of them, insult them, even have a group of people do this congradulating each other on just how well that individual was tore into, all it adds up to is to feed the ego of the troll whose one desire is to simply have you discuss them instead of khukuris.

The ideal solution is to have a fully moderated board (each post has to be approved) this 100% stops trolls. Otherwise what you do is put them on an ignore list as soon as they appear while waiting for the mods to ban them.

When they are banned you don't start another thread saying how they have been banned as this is just another form of attention.

Think of it like a child. When your kid starts throwing a tantrum you don't pay them any attention. You explain briefly that you are not listening to them in that condition and you walk away.

Yes they will cry, getting progressively louder and do everything in thier power to get you to pay attention even if it is to scream. Any attention at all just reinforces the behavior to throw another fit.

-Cliff
 
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