OutDoor Edge Apogee?

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Mike Turber

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I talked with David at the show and it looks like the Apogee may be a "go" for the next Darrel Ralph collaboration with OutDoor Edge.

Maybe David, Darrel or Rob can add a few words on this?

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Mike Turber
BladeForums Site Owner and Administrator
Do it! Do it right! Do it right NOW!
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To Mike & Apogee Fans:

There is no need to keep it a secret any longer. Yes, we are 95% certain the Apogee will be the next new knife added to our Custom Designer Series. We are now in the product development stage and production pieces should become available in the Spring of 2000. This is a little ways away so exact details on the Apogee are not yet available.

Our current plan is to produce 4" and 3.1" blade models with CNC machined G-10 and possibly carbon fiber handles. At this time we plan to use a liner lock.

Since we are now in the product development stage, any and all comments as to blade-handle material or lock mechanisms are welcome.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,
Outdoor Edge Cutlery Corp.

David Bloch,
President
 
Sorry to let the cat out of the bag so soon. I just can't learn to keep my mouth shut on cool new knives. Especially those which will come in at a price point that anyone can afford. Hope the feed back from BladeForums helps in the design process.

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Mike Turber
BladeForums Site Owner and Administrator
Do it! Do it right! Do it right NOW!
www.wowinc.com

 
David -- Impulse, Magna and later Apogee? You're sure entering the "tactical" knife field with guns blazin'!

Rightly or wrongly, I feel that a linerlock is losing its credibility as a reliable folder. If the Apogee is an integral frame lock, why not make your production version with the same lock? Is is that much costly?

Also, I hope you can make an ambidextrous version to accomodate lefties, and those righties who want to carry it with their weak hand.

My $0.02.
 
Dave,


Great to hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've got the custom apogee and it is one of my best knives (as is my krait)

I wish you would make it with a titanium integral lock, like the custom version!




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Markus Blattner

www.collectorsdreams.com


 
To Titan & Markus:

We will definately look into a titanium and possibly a stainless integral/frame lock version (Stainless may be too heavy). The price point for a frame lock version would of course be higher however I agree it is well worth looking at.

Also Titan, it is unfortunate that I keep hearing more and more that the liner lock is losing it's reputation as a reliable lock. As with most things, if a liner lock is made correctly it is both strong and reliable. If made poorly the lock fails, bottom line. If Outdoor Edge chooses a liner lock for the Apogee we guaranty it will be strong and reliable. If not, you get your money back.

Thank you for your attention and wishing the best.

Sincerely,
Outdoor Edge Cutlery Corp.

David Bloch
 
To Memnoch:

Good point, I know my fingers are worth more than a refund for a knife.

We do 100% quality control on all Outdoor Edge products before they leave our door. Each liner lock is whack tested before it is packaged.

What I meant by getting your money back is that we do stand behind our products 100%.

Your comment is well taken and we appreciate the input.



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Sincerely,
Outdoor Edge Cutlery Corp.

David Bloch,
President
 
David -- its also a question of "market perception". If the market believes, rightly or wrongly, that linerlocks are unreliable the folder will suffer poor market acceptance.

Also, as the market is fickle, it will instead choose to buy anything new.

Even Steven Dick of TK has casted doubts about the reliability of linerlocks in the Sept issue; God knows how many knife buyers believe everything that is written on knife mags.

I think linerlocks reputation next year, when you release an linerlock Apogee, will be much worse by then as rolling locks, axis-lock, and integral locks will be much accepted lock standards.

Just my $0.02.
 
when i buy a knife i want to know that the knife itself will stand up to whatever i put it through.

my benchmades and microtechs will stand up to the daily opening, closing, banging on the back of the blade, scraping and vanquishing evil hordes of demons from the pits of the nether world.

the waranty means very little to me when the knife is being used hard because if i break it through abuse i am the one that will buy another one. that is only fair.

if when i get it new and do the wack test and it fails then i use the waranty but when i chose a knife for my daily cary i like to have absolute confidence in it.

i got rid of my axis lock because i did not like the idea of trusting my fingers to a set of springs i could not clean or see that may break or bend fom simple openong and closing of the blade.

i went back to my socom because i trusted the leaf lock more.

a titanium integral lock is in my opinion THE way to go for the apogee colaboration.
for a steel i would like to see BG-42 used, or a tool steel with a coating like the A2 genisis from EDI.

if you are making a custom colaboration i think you should be true to the original lock.

yes the price point will be expensive. maybe around $150 +. will the knife be worh it?
HELL YES!!!
 
Keep in mind that the liner lock is still widely accepted by the masses. Only the educated know different and that may take time. If OutDoor Edge comes out with a liner lock version of the Apogee it will be because they must appeal to the masses.

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Best Regards,
Mike Turber
BladeForums Site Owner and Administrator
Do it! Do it right! Do it right NOW!
www.wowinc.com

 
To Apogee Fans:

Since we are now in the product development stage, all options regarding materials, construction and lock mechanism are open for consideration. We also want to give the people what they want. Therefore your input and comments are most valued and appreciated at this stage of the Apogee project. We have received several requests for a titanium frame lock. Darrel also offers the Apogee with carbon fiber scales and double liners (Another option for the production version).

One thing that is certain is the Apogee is one of the best tactical/utility designs I have seen in a long time. For a flat handle knife the grip ergonomics and comfort are second to none.

While Outdoor Edge is new to the tactical folder market, we have eleven years experience in producing quality, high performance cutting tools backed by a solid warranty and prompt customer service. In regards to this I guaranty the production Apogee will be a quality reproduction of Darrel's hand made knife that offers a good value.

Thank you for your attention and keep your input coming.


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Sincerely,
Outdoor Edge Cutlery Corp.

David Bloch,
President
 
David -- whatever the outcome I would like to say thanks for involving us in your decision-making process. Truly, OE is proving to be a Y2K-ready company. More power!

[This message has been edited by Titan (edited 22 June 1999).]
 
If yoy're shooting for the 80-100 range, here are my suggestions:
*Handle: CF or anodized Aluminum--lignt, and colorful, but much cheaper than Ti. If you can squeeze it, go with Ti handles.
*Lock: for Al and CF, you'd have to do a liner-lock, if you go with Ti handles, go with the frame lock.
*Steel: depending on the pricing: for market acceptance and affordability, ats-34 or 55. For mind-blowing performance and loyalty to the original, 420V.
Aaron

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aaronm@cs.brandeis.edu
I like my women like I like my knives: strong, sharp, well-formed and pattern-welded!
 
Dave,

please use an integral titanium frame lock!
If possible anodised.
Also the steel should be BG-42 or CPM 420-V if possible.
I agree with you that it is one of the best tactical designs on the market!
Seems that we are both fans of Darrel's designs.

Greetings to your wife!

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Markus Blattner

www.collectorsdreams.com


 
To Apogee Fans:

Many thanks for all the feedback.

The general concensis so far seems to be in favor of a Titanium frame lock. Also I agree we should use a premium steel for the Apogee, ATS-34 or better. Your comments for a more upscale Outdoor Edge/Ralph design are well taken.

Again thanks for all the input and please keep the comments coming. In regards to your input more is always better than less.

Also to Markus, it is always good to hear from you. Please give my regards to Sylvia.

Take care and wishing the best as always.



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Sincerely,
Outdoor Edge Cutlery Corp.

David Bloch,
President
 
My vote goes for the titanium frame lock. Blade steel should be ATS-34 or better. I would take a look at the tool steels (D-2 and A-2).

Garrett

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The Bitterness Of Poor Quality Remains Long After The Sweetness Of Low Price Is Forgotten
 
david,
great news my freind[guess who]. you are coming strong.
can't wait to see the production apogee,i've been eyeboling this knife for sometime.
probebly my next costume buy.
let me know what goes with my order from shot show.
best regards,
scorpio.


 
To Scorpio:

Man I hate guessing, and right now I don't have a clue. Can you give me a hint?

If your Shot Show order includes Impulses and Magnas, we are pushing for end of July for the Impulse, August on Aluminum Magnas and September on Zytel Magnas. Sorry for the delay but believe me, no one is more anxious than I am to get in these new models.

If you would be so kind to pass on your real name it will end my sorid state of confusion.

Take care Scorpio, and wishing the best as always.


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Sincerely,
Outdoor Edge Cutlery Corp.

David Bloch,
President
 
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