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OK Codger,
Here's some worthless trivia for you.
You mentioned Chuck Connors.....then you mentioned baseball (when the Orioles were GOOD)...Did you know that Chuck Connors had 1 at bat with the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1949, then a few in 1951 with the Cubbies? AND.....before that he played with the Boston Celtics in 1947-48....I think he played against the afore mentioned Willis Reed......NO, NO, just kidding on that part about Reed... :D

Also he MIGHT have made an "off Broadway" kind of movie involving ping pong balls, or something like that... :eek: .... but that's a whole 'nother story.

Larry,
It's hard not to talk about your young ones when you are proud of a good effort, isn't it? Did you give him the Simon (knife content)?

Cool trophy... :cool:

Bill
 
Let me know when he wants a real knife ( I will send him one on the house he deserves it. ) On Chuck Connors Well you asked for this. Connors served as a correction (MOS) MP. At that time Greenhaven Correctional Facility was a federal facility ( and was federally built ) it is now a NYS facility. This is where Connors worked. I worked there as well only I was there many years later in 1972 my job was to exercise the 5 people who were on death row K gallery. I still remember there names and crimes. They were all convicted and waiting for the courts to make a decision on the death penalty. My job was to take them out for an hour each into a small walled in courtyard for exercise and was told that if they asked me to I was to play handball with them since they could only be sent out one at a time. Eventually they were all freed after various amounts of years. ( I still hate handball ). The chair was right upstairs above the housing unit and we used to sneak up there to catch a nap on days we had a hangover, it is pretty comfortable. Any way back to Connors while he was on duty at Green haven he played amateur and semi pro ball In Newburgh and Poughkeepsie. Now I do not know if he ever picked his feet in poughkeepsie ( quote from POPEYE DOYLE in The French Connection, mentioned for the young folks who might read this ). However he did play baseball and drank there. Years ago I was in a bar ( naturally) on the other side of the river ( Hudson ) in poughkeepsie, and we started a game of western cowboy actor trivia. The bartender brought out this picture and asked me if I recognized any cowboy actor in it. Then he pointed out a very young Chuck Conners. Knowing me as some of you do I had to have the picture ( I offered to buy it however he would not part with it), so I bet the bartender that he and the customers then in the bar could not give me 5 trivia questions regarding John Wayne that I could not answer with out missing one. If he lost I got the picture he I lost I would buy the bar all they could drink for one hour. They ( the customers ) all pressured the bartender ( who had the picture for many years and really did not want to chance giving it up) finally he took the bet. By the way this was not a cheese and wine bar. These boys could throw down some hooch Shots and beer and when some one else was buying they went to top shelf. So anyway here is the picture. That is the story of how I got it. I havent dug it out in years it did bring back a good memory which is rare for me right now. Oh yes the funny part was that I bought one round of drinks that whole evening the rest of the night they would not let me spend a cent. The trip back over the Poughkeepsie bridge was interesting. At least what I remember of it. I am glad I have this pic because without it chances are this would sound like a big windy. LT PS That is one hell of a trophy, you gotta be a proud pappy. Well done and thanks for the pic. PPS PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS START UP JOHN WAYNE TRIVIA QUESTIONS. I do not even remember how we veered this far off subject.
 
And I am not so sure it is that far off topic. Somehow real American success stories and real American knives go together. Chuck, for the few minutes I was with him impressed me as a real person, not a fancy Dan wannabe. He really knew and practiced the loop rifle tricks seen on the Rifleman show. It was not a stuntman or speeded up film like a kungfu movie. Whether or not he could hit where he was aiming, I couldn't say, but he impressed me as a sportsman who could make his rifle walk as well as talk.

Can you show us a picture of all of the parts of an Old Timer or Uncle Henry Stockman laid out? If not, I'll check my box of has-been knives and see if I can figure out how to disassemble one without crumpeling the bits.
Thanks LT!

Codger
 
Of course you want a stockman. Well at midnight this is all I could find. The theory is exactly the same this is a hollow handle jack knife. Like an imperial Kamp King. It is pretty close since it is a slipjoint with multiple blades. The shape of course is a bit different but to someone with your obvious mechanical acument this should answer your questions. Chances are there is a stockman version around somewhere but this is what I found relatively quickly. It should be apparent at this point that I own at least one of everything in the world, man, what a mass of junk. I hope this helps. I feel like the Noah of the knifeworld I must have been put here to save all this SH-- ER STUFF. LT
 
Interesting. I do not have an Imperial Camp King, but I do have a Colonial Forest Master. They are identical right down to the shape of the shield and lines on the bolsters. Pattern theft? Hardly. Per Mr. Paolantonio of Colonial, "Colonial and Imperial and Schrade would exchange ideas. It was a very close relationship of trust and friendship."

I don't know the patent date, but that assembly drawing is done in the Patent Illustration tradition, except that the component identifier names would be replaced with numbers keyed to the text of the patent claims. And the rear handle and bolsters are "omitted from the view for clarity and brevity" (patent attorney lingo there!) The Forest Master was shelved from production in 2002, though I'm not sure when the Camp King was discontinued. It was a popular pattern for many many years and served generations of scouts and other kids. I think it was a grandfather to the Camillus U.S. Military Utility knife with it's slabbed stainless sides and identical choice of four blades and a bail. (The bail was added to the Forest Master and, I think, to the Camp King after that assembly drawing)

Looking at the drawing, we can see how 19 components and the assembly labor of even this low price point design would take the production cost beyond what the market would willingly pay. The components were relatively cheap, say .20 cents for the pile, then 15 minutes value added to finish them before assembly, but then another ten minutes for correct assembly and adjustment, 5 for inspection, packing for shipment. At today's labor rate, what does 30 minutes of labor cost? Remember, the laborer only receives about 3/5ths of that in gross wages, the rest is borne by the company as well as the overhead of tools, machinery, utilities, taxes, etc. that gets ammortized into the product.

The MSRP of the #1200 Forest Master was $14.00. Meaning the Distributor cost was 40% or $5.60, the retailer cost was 60% or $8.40. If the factory made 20%, their cost would have been $4.48. I am sure I have screwed up the math, but you get the jest of it. These figures generally apply across the board to all U.S. cutlery makers and most all patterns.

Thanks again for burning the midnight oil and giving us that excellent illustration LT!

Codger "Rolling, rolling, rawhide!" :rolleyes: :D
 
Being the gentleman I am, I had tried to ignore this thread; After all, would a gentleman wanna see a bunch of lithe, nubile Elllenville maidens in the all-together?

The answer to the above is YES, so here I finally am. Only to find out LT had purposesly targeted me, expecting most likely I'd make an angry post about his lack of sound character and good judgement in displaying nekkid Ellenville virgins. Alas, it seems the joke really is on me.

Margueritas for everyone,

Phil

Here's a pic of the new Miss Ellenville courtesy of Taylor cutlery:
 

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Phil, Phil, Phil............... :D

OK then, said Bill (tugging on the fishing line, causing his Official John Wayne spinner bait to bob ever so slightly) I guess we'll never know if Marion Morrison was originally named Marion ROBERT Morrison......and his name was changed when his folks wanted to name his brother Robert.... :confused:

Anywho, I've got my only fixed blade Schrade ( a Sharpfinger, of course) ready to clean some fish should any "Bite" on that lure.

I might be fibbing....but we did graduate from the same Glendale High School, just a FEW classes apart.

Strop, strop, strop.

Bill
 
El Lobo said:
...OK then, said Bill... I guess we'll never know if Marion Morrison was originally named Marion ROBERT Morrison......and his name was changed when his folks wanted to name his brother Robert.... :confused:

Bill
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Well, it so happens that his birth certificate says "Marion MITCHELL Morrison".....or Robert Mitchell Morison. But he always listed "Michael" as his middle name. And his younger brother did get the name Robert. Who knows? LT probably does, but you would have to bait that hook with something stronger to reel him into this one.
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Bobby Copeland provided the following:


His parents called him Robert Michael and the name was duly recorded on his birth certificate. Then Mary Morrison had a sudden change of heart. Her one wealthy relative was called Marion, and, in an attempt to acquire her child a future inheritance, she renamed him Marion Michael Morrison ... She named her second, more favored son, Robert. (Source: Pilar Wayne's book, John Wayne: My Life with the Duke, McGraw Hill, New York, 1987).

Just to complicate matters further about Duke's original name, Donald Shepherd et al, in their book Duke: the life and times of John Wayne say that he was originally called Marion Robert but this was changed to Marion Mitchell. In later years Duke called himself 'Michael' because the 'Mitchell' member of the family that he was named after (his maternal grandfather) was diagnosed with a mental illness, and in those days this amounted to great family shame. According to these authors, Duke went to great lengths to eliminate records that recorded his name as 'Mitchell'. The authors claim this to be quite a mystery, for it seems out of character for Duke to reject the name of his maternal grandfather, who was quite a man to look up to before his illness. (Source: Donald Shepherd and Robert Slatzer, with Dave Grayson: Duke: The Life and Times of John Wayne, Doubleday & Co., New York, 1985).

Codger - Still wondering who designed and named the Sharpfinger
 
Im not gonna get into a Duke discussion I just want to know how many classes ahead of the Duke you where, Bill?
:)
TTYL
Larry
 
Hey Phil,
My last trip through Walden and Wallkill I saw not one person dressed like that!
And I had my margarita shirt on, was carring a MOP and had a couple of brand new socks on too.
Nothing...
 
Perhaps I am mistaken. With all the really, really bad cars General Motors are trying to peddle, the lady I pictured is the future Miss Detriot.

Phil

(taking a break from work in the basement, see my contributions in a bit to the 'Display Panel' thread.

Phil
 
Well if she is Miss detroit then she is american made and has my vote. Not that it means much. LT PS looking forward to the display you have some dandys and I enjoy your pics of them
 
Why Larry....... :eek:

I don't look a day over 95...... :o I stayed back a year to take metal shop with my buddy Marion. IIRC, George Schrade was our teacher. I'm sure it was a custom Flylock he threw at that tree.

Congratulations on your award. :grumpy: But it won't mean jack to the ladies of Ellenville.

Bill
 
OK so let me see if I have this right you guys are meeting each other in a couple of weeks . Wish I was there maybe be could make some medicine, pilgrim, or at least knock back some who hit John. Ahh Huh. LT
 
Strop...strop...puhtooie!

(I learned that last bit from my late father. He always ended an ass chewing or knife sharpening with a little spit. For years I thought it was for special effect for emphasis. You paid attention when he did that. At 14 I learned different when I began swiping his Camel non-filters. He was spitting out loose tobacco. Still a great effect, and I use it on my kids to this day.)

Codger - Trivia no one cares about! :footinmou
 
Your wrong Codger that is about all that is worth anything memories, history, these are the things that impact the future because unlike DNA which is passed on by the physical. Memories are passed on by what we consider as worth remembering memorys good or bad are not random but selective. I would have liked your dad. You made me aware of that and that is important. Thankyou. LT
 
Yes, I have no doubt you would have hit it off well with him. A WWII Navy vet, he never let us buy cars from Japan, and left me his Luger 9MM from Normandy, and his Arisaka from the Pacific. A father he adopted me and my brother and took us from the hellhole that is East L.A. to an Arkansas Delta farm. One son he put through flight school at 14, he is the lead pilot trainer/certifier for Continental Air Lines now. He told the other son he didn't care if he chose to dig ditches, but he had better dig the best damn ditch that can be dug. Close, among my many trades and degrees, I build swimming pools. I am damn good at it too. A Deputy Sheriff, for years he carried the Ruger Security Six .357, and later a Ruger auto. A farmer, he was the first in Arkansas to adopt farming with chemicals on our 3,000 acres of fields. We were voted Farm Bureau Farm Family Of The Year. A tinkerer, he built hot rods all his life, did all his own welding and tractor repair. Wayne, Arness, and Conners were his heros after Audie Murphy and Gene Autry. And his drink of choice was vodka. Yes, except for maybe the vodka, you two would have gotten along.

Codger - Yep, you are right about memories LT.
 
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Then there was the time I gave Donald Trump a ride home
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I had a similar experience, but it was nobody famous and I didn't miss the turn. Also, I think I was driving alone at the time.
 
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