pain in the back

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I need some advise from you guys, I was recently in a major car accident (9 months ago) and am still suffering with a back injury. I been to several doctors tried all the conventional methods to help the injuries which are two bulging dics and degeneration of another. All of this causes unexpected pains, numbness and lose of strengh in my legs. It has been recommended that I undergo surgery from two different docotors to help resolve it. Being only 29 i'm looking at the long term effects, with no surgery there is a possibilty that I could recover but that would require me to completely change my life and take it alot slower. Which means no more crazy kid stuff like hiking, mountain bike riding, adventure camping, hunting:( With surgery i'd have to stop working until I was completely recovered and pending the outcome of the surgery I could live my life as a normal 30 year old with the ocassional aches and pains. My biggest concerns however are not for me, they're for my daughter who is six. I grew up with an old man that had back problems and never got to do any of the father son stuff. My grandfater taught me to hunt and fish. I played ball with a buddy down the street. I just don't want my daughter to lokk at me the same way I looked at my father. I didn't fully realize the pain that my father was in until that accident, and like my father i'm too thick headed to make a decision for myself. If you were in my shoes what would you do?

Thanks
Doug
 
I am sorry to hear of your condition. I am and have been suffering from major lower back, hip and leg pain for the past 3 years. There are nonsurgical ways to help bulging discs. I would consult with sport doctors and physiologists who specialize in back pain.

Having said that, today's surgical procedures for disc replacement are truly amazing. Often recovery is full with little or no pain.

Please keep us posted and never hesitate to inquire or seek input from specialists from different disciplines.

Coop
 
I need some advise from you guys, I was recently in a major car accident (9 months ago) and am still suffering with a back injury.

I been to several doctors tried all the conventional methods to help the injuries which are two bulging dics and degeneration of another.

All of this causes unexpected pains, numbness and lose of strengh in my legs.

It has been recommended that I undergo surgery from two different doctors to help resolve it.

Thanks
Doug

Well Doug I have had four back surgeries and had to medically retire because of the outcome of the very first one.:grumpy:
My back problem was because of an accident at work and then IMO incompetent doctors.:grumpy:
I used to have a great, great, deal of arch in my low back and would *curl* or *roll* a brand new and very well made; as well as being made from very thick quality cowhide leather belt in two weeks or less.
I had an occasional back ache like every one else does from time to time and was in pretty good general health most of the time.
The first surgery was done by a neurosurgeon and an orthopedic specialist.
The neurosurgeon pretty well did his job but the orthopedic doc removed a very great deal of the arch in my back by not bending the rods to match my back before surgery.:(
Now I can wear a belt and keep it nice for a long time with very little rolling. But by *Not* putting the existing arch back into my back he caused me to be out of balance with my previous self which causes an extreme amount of pressure on my SI and Hip Joint's, which in turn causes me a great deal of pain.
Thankfully the pain can be and is managed with some heavy duty pain meds.
It is much better than it was even a year ago because of my increased activity at our health club where we work out three times a week.
Since around the first of last August I have lost 60 pounds and gained quite a bit of strength and stamina but I still have a long, long, way to go!!!!
My last three surgeries have been performed by my neurologist that was recommended by a lady at the worker's compensation insurance office that took issue with the way my company was treating me and told me what I could do legally and the steps to do them in.
I sorta knew I could pick my own surgeon and not use the company doctors but until she told me who to see and what to do to see him I was in the dark about the legal matters.

Dr. Gaede has been a blessing and has even restored a bit of the arch in my back by tweaking the spinal vertebrae and seeing that I got the proper care and didn't do too much way too soon.
The company doctors had me back to work six months after my first surgery and I need at least a year too heal fully.
The thing is that surgery can indeed work with the proper care and exercise but you really have to be dedicated to the exercise!!!!
One of my big problems was that I got other medical problems and couldn't exercise like I needed too so consequently I lost the ability to do many things with the most important being able to walk and walk a long, long, way in the course of a day.
And except for around the house I need a walker to go any distance at all.
My dear wife Barbie and I have gone to one of our local nature areas that has nice trails when it hasn't rained and walked in the woods a couple of times the last couple of weeks.
It was wonderful to be able to visit the woods once again as we used too live in the outdoors when I was still able to get around without the walker.
We also did a little fishing last spring and are hoping to again this year when the Crappie start spawning.:D

So now that you have that part of my story let me say that I would look around, talk to folks, and inquire every where I could to find the very best neurosurgeon I could find that will do the whole job from start too finish!!!!:thumbup: :D
Then have the surgery done and do everything the Dr. tells you to do no matter what!!!!
Two more warnings......
Bear in mind that if the pedicle screws and rods are put in your back anchoring everything into place that over a period of time the screws can work loose which will cause you pain and the only cure for the pain is to have another surgery to remove them.
The other problem that sometimes occurs is that the vertebrae above the existing fusion deteriorates and when the offending screws are removed the deteriorated part of your spine will need to be fused and the same can happen over and over again until your whole back is fused.
We have one member that had a major fusion done when he was quite young and he seems to do pretty well with his back although I haven't talked to him lately.
There's more I can tell you but that's the gist of everything.;)
 
If you can put off the surgery long enough they may come up with something better in the mean time.

And yes, as Yvsa says, the discs above and below the fusion will go to hell in just a few short years.

Spinal fusion surgery is primitive, at best.
 
Spinal Fusion has been recommended do to the nature of the injury which is allowing my spine to slowly move forward on my sacrum where the degenerative disc is at. One doctor said that if he would have had to guess my age from the condition of my back he would have put me in my 60's. I'm just tired of living my life through the fog of pain meds. it has also been suggested that I get a series of spinal injections to help reduce the numbeness and to hopefully to give me more time to heal without surgery.
 
Jeez. You're in my thoughts and prayers. I've no advice, but I can understand wanting to do right by your kids.

Good luck, and keep us posted.
 
My father underwent the first of several back surgeries when I was about six. His back problems limited his ability to do lots of things.

I don't have any real advice either, but I pray that you find a solution that gives you relief from pain and allows you to be as active as possible. Best wishes.

Eric
 
Thanks guys, this is not going to be one of my easiest decisions but it's one i'm going to have to make.
 
Prayers from Reno,
 
Acupuncher,,, if i spelled that right,, my wife has 4 bulginh disks in her neck,, and it helps her,,

my 2 cents
 
I know a couple of people who've had back surgery. Their doctors probably count them as "successes," but they feel it was a mistake. Don't trust the success rate your doc quotes.

Someone, I forget who (China?), has been experimenting with disk transplants. Meanwhile, there is some very promising work being done with stem cell therapy. Google up Don Ho. I don't think they've done it on backs yet, it'll be there.

As Dave K said, it's primitive. In a few years, this sort of back surgery will be looked at just about like drilling holes in people's skulls to let out evil spirits.
 
Acupuncher,,, if i spelled that right,, my wife has 4 bulginh disks in her neck,, and it helps her,,

my 2 cents

That is the next step in my progressive therapy, but it is very cost prohibitive for me. Too bad acupuncture is not a readily accepted medical treatment with my medical insurance. I already receive regular massage therapy (an added bonus of being a part time therapist) but there are only a few friends that i'll allow to work on me. another worry that i'm starting to have is the negative effects the injury is having on my full time job as well.
 
Someone, I forget who (China?), has been experimenting with disk transplants.

Makes one wonder where the vertebrae come from? I recall a big news story a few months back about organ harvesting in China from executed criminals. :eek:

Best of luck, Doug, with whatever route you decide to take.

A cousin of mine has some disc problems too, albeit not so severe. For him, the only time he's not in so much pain is if he's walking or jogging. The way he talks about it though makes it sound like surgery MIGHT be inevitable down the road, but he's doing everything he can to postpone it.
 
Sorry to hear about your pain. I was driving home this afternoon and heared this ad on the radio about back problems. I don't know if it will help you but its worth a try. 888goodback.com.
I injured my back around 12 years ago while on the job, I ended up going to a chiropractor after a week in bed, turned out to be the right thing for me to do!
Hope you get well soon.
 
My wife is still off work from her spinal fusion back in november. She's in physical therapy now. The outlook for her recovery is good.

Before the surgery, she was limping around using a walker as aid... at 36! :eek: (Two herniated discs.)

Now she's able to walk again without an aid and reasonably well but still with a degree of pain... but nothing compared to what it was before the surgery.
 
My wife is still off work from her spinal fusion back in november. She's in physical therapy now. The outlook for her recovery is good.

Before the surgery, she was limping around using a walker as aid... at 36! :eek: (Two herniated discs.)

Now she's able to walk again without an aid and reasonably well but still with a degree of pain... but nothing compared to what it was before the surgery.


I haven't gotten to the walker yet. I'm probaly so hard headed that i wouldn't use one unless they tied my hands to it.

I hope you wife fully recovers. my prayers are with her.

They have been havesting discs and other non regenerative tissues from cadavers for years, now its common to have menicus (cartilidge in your knee) replaced with ones havested from a cadaver.
 
Sorry to hear about your pain. I was driving home this afternoon and heared this ad on the radio about back problems. I don't know if it will help you but its worth a try. 888goodback.com.
I injured my back around 12 years ago while on the job, I ended up going to a chiropractor after a week in bed, turned out to be the right thing for me to do!
Hope you get well soon.

Someone told me about them at work today i'll check into them thanks.
 
I haven't gotten to the walker yet. I'm probaly so hard headed that i wouldn't use one unless they tied my hands to it.

I hope you wife fully recovers. my prayers are with her.

They have been havesting discs and other non regenerative tissues from cadavers for years, now its common to have menicus (cartilidge in your knee) replaced with ones havested from a cadaver.

Thanks.

You'd have to be really tough to be in the kinda pain she was in without using a walker. It was terrible. She'd often wake up and wouldn't be able to walk for a few hours because the pain was so bad.

Seems to be a lot of this around these days.

0ur prayers are with you as well.
 
Thanks.

You'd have to be really tough to be in the kinda pain she was in without using a walker. It was terrible. She'd often wake up and wouldn't be able to walk for a few hours because the pain was so bad.

Seems to be a lot of this around these days.

0ur prayers are with you as well.


Not tough just too stupid to swallow my pride and admit that I need help sometimes. It was always really hard to ask for help from anyone. Growing up in a rough Irish family in the inner city of Detroit doesn't help either.
 
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