Paris is burning

50,000 vehicles have been torched in France last I heard. Things must be a mess over there.

Bob
 
skydog said:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174670,00.html

I find the part where it says 'Residents gathered at the school gate, demanding that the army be deployed or suggesting that citizens band together to protect their neighborhoods' interesting. Almost sounds like theyre asking for a 2nd ammendment.
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i find the mayor's reason why they won't let the citizens defend themselves a bit bizarre:

Mayor Alain Outreman tried to cool tempers.
"We are not going to start militias," he said. "You would have to be everywhere."
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i tend to agree with
Sarkozy also has inflamed passions by referring to troublemakers as "scum."
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all this trouble because two criminals were fleeing the police after commiting a crime & were stupid enough to flee into a high-voltage people cooker.

i'm wondering if the two youths were arabic from one of france's defunct colonies. blaming the victim is an honourable arabic pastime, i recall many instances in a certain arab country i was occupying space in, where the western expat hit by a local arab running a red lite was arrested because it was his fault due to the fact that the accident would not have happened if he hadn't been in the arab's path. more or less likely to happen depending on who your friends and contacts are & who has more status (i had some influential friends, so managed to get thru the mine-field of arab government and police on those occasions when an arabic speaking local was essential, helped that my comrade's dad owned half the local city.)

p.s. - if you ever go to an arabic country, remember, they do not necessarily stop at red lights unless they are not in a hurry & allah will protect them if they run one (this usually happens at night, most of them are not stupid, too many other arabs doing the same thing during the day would soon remove them from the gene pool). if they kill someone or are killed, it is the will of allah. if they are made to stop at a red light (by a expat or slow arab) , they get frustrated & will all line up 5 abreast on a two-lane to make sure they are first across when it changes. the basic rule is whoever has the newest car should be in front. many will put stick-on year numbers on the back of their cars to let the car behind know who should be in front. if both cars have the same year, the most expensive gets to go first. the second basic rule is if someone passes you because he has a newer or better car, he's insulting your manhood and you must try to get ahead of him for that. the third rule is camels and women ride in the back of the pickup, men and sheep ride up front.

p.p.s - come to think of it, the french tend to think that way as well, except for the camels.
 
They tried fence sitting, convinced no one would attack them....then this from inside??? Ah Paris, long may she burn.
 
When Europeans went to Africa, Asia, and the Americas, and refused to go along with the local customs, it was called imperialism.

When Africans and Asians go to Europe and refuse to go along with the local customs, it's called being depraved because they're deprived. (With a tip of the hat to West Side Story. :) )

They are being treated MUCH better than we treated blacks over here, for years. Yet Martin Luther King, Jr., among others, brought about change within the laws and customs of the country he felt himself part of.

If the French "youths" can't find a better way to express their frustrations than by burning down their own neighborhoods, then their own neighbors better work out a way to get them under control.

Meanwhile, as long as the French have neglected these neighborhoods so long, it won't hurt if they cordon them off until the flames die down.
 
There is a bit of a difference between colonial explorers and refugees.
Even a Paris ghetto is better than the damned Congo.
They complain and riot, but you bet your a$$ they wont ask for a free ticket home.
 
Looks like it may be winding down now, unfortunately.

The good news is, Chirac has foolishly given them a $35 billion reward for their behavior, so they will be doing it again.
 
I saw that. While I acknowledge that something definitely needed done there, this is surely the wrong time to do it. Looks like they're caving in. Bad move, IMO. Next step, start decreasing the socialization of their society that is helping breed their rampant unemployment.

Nam
 
When they do begin decreasing the socialization of their society which dampens their productivity, they will become more of a challenge to us, industrially.

Schadenfreude isn't just an outlook; it reflects a need for the other to fail for us to succeed. Unfortunately, failure elsewhere leads eventually to costs here as well.

As a great poet once wrote:

The sun will also rise
If we're not here to see it;
What's precious in our eyes
Is not what makes it be it.

Solipsist introversion
Is sophistry most cruel,
Unnatural perversion
Of nature's Golden Rule:

We must cooperate, and compete,
Take what we need, and share;
And if we take more than we need,
When we need it, it won't be there.

-- (me :) )
 
It is always good to hear from Esav here. I see he's resigned his commision with the Pharrosis. (sic) Good to have him under any guise. As for France treated black muslims better than the US; the US of which era? Certainly the lynching US. But for the last 40- 50 years we've resolved many problems. I heard a thoughtful commetary that France has it's head in the sand and has not. France portrays the US ala 1950's Christian zealot racists, but the truth is that France is much closer to that today. Youths from the minority in France have a very bad job outlook. They are treated badly, and referred to as animals. France built 'projects' for these people; where have we seen this work?

Anyway, rather than making me angry with the French I actually have some sympathy for them. Not enough to change my resistance to their obstructionist foreign policies, but for their people.

If France thought cowtowing to Terrorism would work, they were mistaken. The role of the Mullahs cannot be underemphasized. Over a hundred 'foreigners' have been arrested there.


munk
 
Sarkozy says he's got 120 non-French nationals arrested for rioting that he's going to deport. I wonder if the cabinet will let him, and if not, what THAT will say about the French government's seriousness?
 
Whatever France does, it cannot reflect upon their seriousness because they have none. (About as serious as we are with our Mexican border.) France could make a gesture regarding terrorism, but it will only be a gesture at this point.

Denial is deep stuff. Hunger and blood cut through, sometimes love, but very little else. The last time France was serious, the Nazis were already over the border.


munk
 
If France DID deport all of those people, and maybe their families as well, all of them, would anybody DO anything about it?
Would the world consider that such a terrible thing?
I honestly dont know.
It would be understandable, wouldnt it?
Let them riot in Accra.
 
I don't think that would sit well with anybody. You see, that would be to make generalizations about an ethnicity or nationality. Like if we would have deported all African-Americans after the LA race riots. It just wouldn't work, and I don't think people would sit idle. France would be (rightly IMO) condemned for unnecessary racism. The rioting was not a mass movement among these populations, but rather just dumb people rioting.

Chris
 
Our founding fathers, all of them, said things relating to the fact that they believed that Democracy was intended for and would only work with, good, virtuous people.
John Adams, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson.
They all made mention of this.
I suppose you could say that democracy isnt going to work with every society.
Some people do not thrive in freedom.
Im not talking about anyone in particular. Being born poor sucks a$$ in a major way.

Im not sure what Im saying, but Im not happy about non-French people destroying French towns.
 
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