Patrol Rifles

[BlackHills]

for the rifle? is there such thing as a hp .223?

Cor-Bon, Remington, Federal and others make .223 JHP.

 

[Mudflap]

Being in the business as long as I have, it's apparent that police departments with few exceptions are hidebound organizations with tight budgets and stingy oversight from city/state fathers.
Police officers were crying for weapons more potent than the .38 special (with round-nosed lead bullets) for many years before major departments began to allow and then finally issue .357 Magnums.
Likewise the transition to auto pistols was a long, slow road in most cases.

Police agencies tend to react strongly to "big incidents" that get a lot of media attention.
You never heard a word about "patrol rifles" until that North Hollywood affair.
Back when I started in campus law enforcement, it was touch-and-go that we'd be armed at all. Now, after Columbine, Virginia Tech, and other incidents, we're getting M16s....

I think I'll keep my mouth shut when it comes to things such as fire teams, suppressing fire and bounding maneuvers. Don't want to give city leaders any reason to kill this program before it's really gotten started!

 

[kaiservontexas]

for the rifle? is there such thing as a hp .223?

ive only seen soft point, we use the hornady TAP.

as for the handguns, i know of no agency carrying anything but hollow points.

Yes, ammunitiontogo.com sells a variety of hallow point ammunition for the .223.

 

[Gerberblades]

Early last year, I put up a thread about our department getting patrol rifles. At the time, they were thinking about some "bullpup" design that I thought would be a bit over-the-top for most officers.
They did finally decide on a standard M16 (M4) variant, the same one the FBI issues. Looks a lot like this:

Good choice. There is still a lot of resistance in some Departments to providing officers with patrol rifles. It is unfortunate that it often takes incidents like the recent murder of Tucson Police Department Officer Erik Hite to question these policies.
http://www.policelink.com/news/27285-ambushed-tucson-officer-dies-from-wound

 

[David E]

for the rifle? is there such thing as a hp .223?

HP's have been available for the .223 since at least the mid '80's.

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[MORIMOTOM]

Cor-Bon, Remington, Federal and others make .223 JHP.

good to know. as mentioned, ive only worked with the soft point type like the winchester ranger.

im not really a hunter, so dont really know much about bullets outside of what my agency uses or has used.

 

[Gerberblades]

Mori-

Here you go. These are Federal Premium .223 with 55 gr. Sierra Game King BTHP. Rifle is basic Colt AR-15 A3 Tactical Carbine.

good to know. as mentioned, ive only worked with the soft point type like the winchester ranger.

im not really a hunter, so dont really know much about bullets outside of what my agency uses or has used.

 

[Absintheur]

Corbon DPX is a monolithic HP, in simple terms it is a solid copper alloy with a hole in the end. I was designed to expand when fluid is introduced into the cavity and not before. This allows it to penetrated things like car doors and still expand very well when it encounters the varmint hiding behind it. We shot mucho ballistic gel with this is testing and it performed as expect through denim, steel , wall board, just about any barrier we tried it through.

Test results into 10% gel
Barrier 4 layers denim
average of three rounds:
Penetration:18.75"
Recovered Weight: 53.1 gr.
Expansion*: .441 cal. (one round lost a petal at 10 inches)

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Corbon DPX is a monolithic HP, in simple terms it is a solid copper alloy with a hole in the end. I was designed to expand when fluid is introduced into the cavity and not before. This allows it to penetrated things like car doors and still expand very well when it encounters the varmint hiding behind it. We shot mucho ballistic gel with this is testing and it performed as expect through denim, steel , wall board, just about any barrier we tried it through.

Test results into 10% gel
Barrier 4 layers denim
average of three rounds:
Penetration:18.75"
Recovered Weight: 53.1 gr.
Expansion*: .441 cal. (one round lost a petal at 10 inches)

one of our concerns with the .223 was overpenetration. in other words, we want a round that will penetrate body armor and such, but not zip through drywall and kill a neighbor. the result is an effective round against soft tissue, but not real effective through car doors/windows, which is of course a concern.

our armorers typically choose the rounds we issue, so i just take what they give. ive participated in some ballistic clay tests, but dont have much say in what we ultimately choose (mainly since im not a ballistics/bullet expert).

im wondering if this type of round would be better for us.

we issue the hornady TAP, which seems to be a very good round. but it is limited when having to shoot through any type of barrier or barricade.

 

[Lycosa]

I'd like to see a 6mm.