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Deal canceled. :grumpy:

I'm going to pass on this because the seller conveniently failed to mention that he expects his paypal fees covered in his advertisement, but miraculously remembers to request an additional 3.2% after a deal has already been struck.

It's becoming an annoying trend here and other places.

It's neither socially acceptable nor a lawful business practice, and I will have no dealings with those who do so.

I'd rather pay a little extra than support dishonest business practices.
 
In my email to NCFH I said I prefer to not use gift but that it was his choice how he paid me. Not sure what all the fuss is about. I guess some people are just really uptight? Love how you try to say I am dishonest. I gave you a choice sir. You decided to be very unreasonable is all.

Direct quote from my message to ncfh:

"Please either cover fees 3.2% or send as gift. I always think its better to pay legit w/ fees but its up to you."
 
You are essentially asking for more once someone says they want it. If you want the user to pay the fees, either state it in your original for sale post, or charge enough for the item to cover your fees. I agree that this is a bit dishonest.
I was also interested in the sharpmaker, but not now.
TkSteve said:
In my email to NCFH I said I prefer to not use gift but that it was his choice how he paid me. Not sure what all the fuss is about. I guess some people are just really uptight? Love how you try to say I am dishonest. I gave you a choice sir. You decided to be very unreasonable is all.

Direct quote from my message to ncfh:

"Please either cover fees 3.2% or send as gift. I always think its better to pay legit w/ fees but its up to you."
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TkSteve said:
First is a lightly used Spyderco Sharpmaker that comes with 2 extra fine rods that were not included in the kit. I bought these separate ($20 value). I have sharpened less then 10 knives on the kit. CD and booklet are also included. I am looking for $50 for all of it. I think its a great deal so I hope to see it move fast. I will pay for shipping to lower 48.


Second is a Kirinite toxic green scale custom made for the ZT 0550. I am also looking for $50 for this and I will cover shipping. It was hand made and is spot on.


Paypal only please.


Thanks for looking!
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I have learned my lesson moving forward to be very specific in my posting. But I will not stand for being called dishonest. I am giving the buyer the option in how they would like to pay me. I am simply stating my preference. I never once said it was a requirement. Just last night I was involved in a exchange where the seller asked me to cover the fees. I did not throw a fit.
 
Why all this discussion in a sales thread? This is what email and private messages are for.

*Moved to the GB&U
 
Just what do you think "either cover fees 3.2% or send as gift" means?

That means you expect me to cover your expenses after we have already agreed upon an amount.

That's what we in America call "dishonest business practice." And it is both culturally imoral and illegal in all these 50 States. Your fellow Americans have deemed it unreasonable for you to demand more money from someone after a price has already been offered and accepted.

I have been entirely reasonable in my dealings with you. In fact it is entirely reasonable for me to report illegal an uncompliant behavior to paypal or even law enforcement. That is what you do when someone acts DISHONESTLY.

I have been in law enforcement and now own my own business, employing 30 people. I think I know the difference between right and wrong. And you are wrong. Learn from your mistake, the next time your advesary my not be so easy going

TkSteve said:
In my email to NCFH I said I prefer to not use gift but that it was his choice how he paid me. Not sure what all the fuss is about. I guess some people are just really uptight? Love how you try to say I am dishonest. I gave you a choice sir. You decided to be very unreasonable is all.

Direct quote from my message to ncfh:

"Please either cover fees 3.2% or send as gift. I always think its better to pay legit w/ fees but its up to you."
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TkSteve said:
In my email to NCFH I said I prefer to not use gift but that it was his choice how he paid me. Not sure what all the fuss is about. I guess some people are just really uptight? Love how you try to say I am dishonest. I gave you a choice sir. You decided to be very unreasonable is all.

Direct quote from my message to ncfh:

"Please either cover fees 3.2% or send as gift. I always think its better to pay legit w/ fees but its up to you."
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You are responsible for PayPal fees as the seller. You should build the fees into the listing price. If you insist on advertising it as listing price + paypal fees, then you should put that in your listing and not surprise the buyer with it.
 
Ncfh. I would like to end this. I certainly did not demand any additional money for you as you claim. When I said send as gift I am telling you to pay $50 which is the price we agreed upon. I never asked you to pay for the additional fees through gift. I was giving you the option to cover the fees yourself if you would like to do so. There are benefits in you doing that. It protects you on the transaction in case anything went wrong.
 
When I said send as gift I should have been more specific. I said cover fees OR send as gift. I apologize for or the miscommunication and I certainly did not intend for you to think I was demanding you to cover the fees. I honestly was giving you the option to pay them or to not pay them.
 
Even though Paypal asks Sellers to pay the fees, most sellers here and elsewhere expect the buyer to pick them up. So probably the best thing is for buyers to negotiate the price lower, to cover the fees.
 
TKSteve,

I think you are forgetting that the use of the gift option for the sale of goods is against PP's terms of service.

Asking the buyer to pay your fee's when using PP is also against the terms of service you agreed to when you signed up for PP.

I don't think expecting a seller to abide by PP's stated rules they agreed to is "unreasonable" as you suggest.

It would be a lot easier for everyone involved if the rules set out by PP were just followed.

No miscommunications or misunderstanding then.
 
pbcg said:
TKSteve,

I think you are forgetting that the use of the gift option for the sale of goods is against PP's terms of service.

Asking the buyer to pay your fee's when using PP is also against the terms of service you agreed to when you signed up for PP.

I don't think expecting a seller to abide by PP's stated rules they agreed to is "unreasonable" as you suggest.

It would be a lot easier for everyone involved if the rules set out by PP were just followed.

No miscommunications or misunderstanding then.
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Hello,

When I was referring to being unreasonable was his cancellation of the deal without any communication with me. I would have been happy to work with him to make sure he was happy with the deal. But instead I get blasted on my sales thread instead of him sending me an email so we could have discussed the details of the sale.
 
I've got no dog in this fight, but PayPal will freeze your account if they catch wind you're making the buyer eat the fees.

Personally, I don't deal with anyone who asks me to cover fees and I take time out of my day to report them to PayPal for breaching terms of agreement if they have something I want but they expect me to eat the fees.
 
TkSteve said:
Hello,

When I was referring to being unreasonable was his cancellation of the deal without any communication with me. I would have been happy to work with him to make sure he was happy with the deal. But instead I get blasted on my sales thread instead of him sending me an email so we could have discussed the details of the sale.
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I apologize if I misunderstood then. I thought you said you offered him two choices, Pay by gift or pay the fee's? Both of which are against PP's terms of service as I understand them.

The point of my post was to advise / remind you of PP's rules should you not be aware. And also bring attention to the fact that if the rules had been followed there would be no confusion on either part. Much easier that way for all involved.

All the best!
 
pbcg. Thank you for the advice and my eyes have been very widely opened from this experience. I am pretty new to selling on this forum... but I have had nothing but great experiences so far. I am going off of what every seller has ever offered me as a model. I appreciate the reply and information.
 
TkSteve,

Did you specifically state that the buyer is responsible for PP fees in the thread (tolerated, but against the rules)? Or, did you wait until after sale and then tag on the charge? You do know that you are required to absorb PP fees as a seller unless you specifically state as such in public, right?

I'm reading this as the seller tagged on an additional charge after sale, also his pricing was not clear up front? Is that the case? Huge no-nos that are bound to annoy people.
 
ibute21 said:
I've got no dog in this fight, but PayPal will freeze your account if they catch wind you're making the buyer eat the fees.
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This is a fact. It's written in PP's legal disclaimers. People do it all the time. However, if they get caught PP might boot them from the service.
 
Yup I made that mistake of only asking for paypal in my post and not listing specifically what I was looking for. Like I said my lesson has been learned and I have reached out to ncfh to try to resolve the issue if he would like. The item has already been sold to another member but just a matter of clearing up the issue. I had no intention of trying to pull one over or tag on additional fees. Thank you everyone for the info and I will certainly not make the same mistake twice.

Thanks.
 
Appears both of you could have just agreed to split that whopping $1.50 and move on with your lives rather than go through all this fuss.
 
Captain Kirkwood said:
Appears both of you could have just agreed to split that whopping $1.50 and move on with your lives rather than go through all this fuss.
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I felt the need to defend myself since our private deal was brought to a public forum. I was never given the chance to reply prior to being called dishonest on my sales thread. I agree that the amount we are taking about has been blown out of proportion. I would have been happy to eat the few bucks if asked to do so.
 
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