Paysan Help

dynomitefries

dynomitefries

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So I purchased a paysan recently where the owner disclosed to me it's had it's stop pin backing out issue fixed but wasn't fully flush with the scale. After I received it, after playing around with it a bit, I noticed the pin started backing out more and more. I realized that the person that "fixed" it just used super glue to glue it in place, but it definitely didn't hold up very well. I managed to scrape off all the glue and pulled the pin out to clean off the remaining glue. I reinstalled it and used a nylon punch to reseat the pin into the handle, but after fidgeting some more with it, the pin started to back out again.

Could anyone with knowledge or experience on this issue recommend a fix? Im not sure super glue was the best idea, but I don't know what else is feasible without being permanent such as JB weld 🤦‍♂️
 

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IMO, that knife is too valuable/beautiful to mess w/yourself.

I'd contact Spyderco and ask them if they can fix it and send it to them if they think they can.

If not, then I'd try contacting Peter Rassenti at rassentiknives@gmail.com to see if he can fix it. He apparently has an Instagram account linked to this address but I can't access it because I don't have an Instagram accout and refuse to create one.

One of them should be willing/able to help you.
 
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Thanks for the info. Will definitely check with them.
sgt1372 said:
IMO, that knife is too expensive/valuable/beautiful to mess w/yourself.

I'd contact Spyderco and ask them if they can fix it and send it to them if they think they can.

If not, then I'd try contacting Peter Rassenti at rassentiknives@gmail.com to see if he can fix it. He apparently has an Instagram account linked to this address but I can't access it because I don't have an Instagram accout and refuse to create one.

One of them should be willing/able to help you
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Just contacted Spyderco, since it's not made in their factory, they are unable to fix it, but they can put me on a list for replacement when they get more (which currently has no ETA), or give me credit towards their other knives.

Also contacted rassenti, but he says he has nothing to do with their production at all...

Anyone else have experience or recommendations?
 
Staking the interior of the hole might work to re-establish the press fit🤔
 
dynomitefries said:
Just contacted Spyderco, since it's not made in their factory, they are unable to fix it, but they can put me on a list for replacement when they get more (which currently has no ETA), or give me credit towards their other knives.

Also contacted rassenti, but he says he has nothing to do with their production at all...
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WTF? Man, sorry to hear that! Talk about "Catch 22"!

If neither of them will provide "service" for the knife, makes me wonder if I should ever consider buying such a knife from Spyderco again.

No other "bright" ideas from me but I hope you find a satisfactory to the solution to your problem.

Good luck!

BTW, I owned a Paysan before but sold it because it had too much "lock stick." Bought a Nirvana (that I still own and am very happy with) instead.
 
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dynomitefries said:
Just contacted Spyderco, since it's not made in their factory, they are unable to fix it,
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I’m sorry, what ?!?!

Call back and hopefully speak to someone else. If they give you the same line please ask where it was made, asking for a friend(in this case I’d like to be the friend).
 
dynomitefries said:
Could anyone with knowledge or experience on this issue recommend a fix? Im not sure super glue was the best idea,
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Yeah, Superglue is not the correct solution to the problem. Neither is JB Weld.

I don't have a Paysan, and I'm not familiar exactly with how that pin fits in and functions, but that doesn't matter. Does the pin come all the way out, or does it just move a little bit? It it comes all the way out, you might want to use Loctite Retaining Compound. 660 would be best. Once you assemble it, the pin will NOT walk back out. Get it right the first time.

If the pin only comes out a little, you'll need to use Loctite Wicking Grade Threadlocker. 290 is the number. Don't fret about trying to get the pin all the way out, because 290 should be just fine. Besides, if you have to go out and buy a bottle, you'll be more likely to use 290 on other stuff. Retaining compound has limited use. Put a drop of 290 around the boundary, push the pin back in to exactly where you want it, and clean up any slop with a q-tip and denatured alcohol.

Make sure the pin is exactly where you want it, because there will be no adjusting it after a couple minutes. Also, don't get the Loctite on any other screws, pivots, etc. You'll be sorry. Let the knife sit overnight to let the Loctite set up properly.
 
Wow thanks for all the replies and ideas everyone. I'll start looking into some of those recommendations. I really like everything about the paysan and will try a lot to get it to work properly so I can keep using it.
 
3fifty7 said:
I’m sorry, what ?!?!

Call back and hopefully speak to someone else. If they give you the same line please ask where it was made, asking for a friend(in this case I’d like to be the friend).
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Made in Taichung, Taiwan, not in Golden, Co. so none of the tooling is on this side of the Pacific.
 
It would cost them more to make or import the tooling to work on it here or ship the knife to Taichung and back to get it properly repaired, than it would to simply replace the knife. Which they offered to do. Why does it surprise you that they are unwilling to spend a thousand dollars on labor to repair a knife with an MSRP of $800?
 
yablanowitz said:
It would cost them more to make or import the tooling to work on it here or ship the knife to Taichung and back to get it properly repaired, than it would to simply replace the knife. Which they offered to do. Why does it surprise you that they are unwilling to spend a thousand dollars on labor to repair a knife with an MSRP of $800?
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It wouldn't cost anything if they gave him a letter of referral and the address of the factory in Taiwan where it could be sent for repair, if that's possible.
 
It shouldn’t cost thousands of dollars for a competent service tech to spend an hour or two trying to come up with a repair or Spyderco sending the knife to Taiwan for repair, if that’s even an option. They offered to put his name on a list, they did not offer a replacement.
It’s a tough situation on a limited run or discontinued product. What Spyderco wants to do (sadly) is to issue a credit towards a current model.
 
Yea sadly that's all they offered me was something of equivalent value thats readily available which is basically nothing I'm interested in.
 
dynomitefries said:
I'm not sure what that involves. Could you explain that process a bit more please?
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I'm no expert but it shouldn't take Loctite or any other adhesive to "properly" fix the problem.

Using such could just make the problem worse if the pin, as noted above, is not seated properly after applying it, especially if all that needs to be done is to properly re-seat the pin so that it is held in place mechanically as originally designed.

Also, even if using an adhesive keeps the pin from moving, if any repair of the knife is required in the future, that adhesive may make taking the knife apart extremely difficult or impossible.

So, I do not think doing that would be a very good idea.
 
dynomitefries said:
I'm not sure what that involves. Could you explain that process a bit more please?
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Sorry, I missed this earlier. It involves peening the interior diameter of the hole to upset some metal, which should re-establish the friction needed to hold the pin in place.
 
Jeez its just a knife! I think its pretty cool they are offering one of similar value. Heck get their offered, sell it and get another Paysan if you want to.
 
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