People who are too quick to scream bloody murder

rdnzl

rdnzl

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This post is directed at no one in particular.

Why is it the current trend to post in GBU about a transaction being bad before all efforts are exhausted to work it out?

Is it the same reason a child will throw a tantrum? To get immediate results, irregardless of the consequences?

C'mon guys, I have seen at least 3 guys who have been slammed in the last 2 weeks by people who just didn't have the patience to let things work out. The guys I am talking about are fine people who would never think of "screwing" anybody over.

Seems to me that FNG's are the ones who are screaming the loudest....CHILL OUT!!!!!

This is a forum based on love of knives and of respect for each other, and that involves giving people time to fix problems before posting some negative crap about them on here.

I for one, like looking through the GBU and hearing about the good guys and the deals made. I also would like to think that a negative post might actually mean something, and be of some value in determining who to not deal with. But it seems to be deteriorating into a snivelfest for some people.

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My $00.02

Again, no offense meant to anyone in particular.



[This message has been edited by rdnzl (edited 02-12-2001).]
 
I'm with ya! While I can understand being impatient and not wanting to get taken, some of the people getting Bad attached to their name don't deserve it.

The sad thing is, when it's found out the problem was an honest mistake or the person had a problem that kept them from dealing with the situation, I don't recall seeing many apologies.

 
Couldn't agree more.

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There's a phenomenon occurring on the auctions sites called (I think...) FeedBlackmail. People are so scared of having their names sullied in feedback that they are giving in to unreasonable demands and price changes.

It's unfortunate that there are so many people out there willing to exploit good people's desire to keep their reputations free of black marks.

I, for one, look past the latest mewling to see how people have behaved in the past. Ordinarily, I come through these little tantrums with a lowered regard for the complainer, rather than the person who has made an honest mistake, or oversight, or just been unable to please an unreasonable "customer".

I also look at people willing to scream bloody murder over very few bucks, or a couple of days delay as whiny little b*tches, and it is THEY with whom I will not do business.
 
I think the problem is with new people. Very rarely do you see a longtime member come on here to complain unless all other venues had been exausted. People either don't read what this particular forum is about or just don't care. Maybe if Spark or Cougar did a post on the ground rules for here it might help but then again with the way this forum has grown member wise maybe it wouldn't do any good.
Bob
 
Me again. Good case in point is the trashing of Fred at the Knifeoutlet. I see Tod has 12 posts total. Actually 11 because number twelve was the bitching post.
Bob
 
Every forum needs meta threads like this now and then. This time it's people who are too quick to scream bloody murder, next time it might be people who let a scam artist stall them for weeks or months before they finally post a warning -- I've seen that happen too.

Usually it is newbies, but sometimes people who've been around a long time do the same thing -- and some do it repeatedly. There are several members who keep posting complaints that are so ridiculous I for one only read them for amusement ... if one of those people ever really does get ripped off no one will take them seriously when they complain about it....

The one piece of advice I can give to everyone, the people who scream over nothing and the suckers too, is: Just the facts, please! Look at that guy who posted somebody else "won't pay and won't answer email" ... if he had only said he wasn't getting any response to his emails -- the fact -- he'd have nothing to be embarrassed about....


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In 20+years of knife retailing I have dropped the ball a few times. More often than not, a manufacturer or distributor muffed the snap to me so there was no way for me to deliver the ball in a timely manner. As a B&M business most of my customers dont have the kahoonas(spelling?) to talk to me face to face the way I see things on this forum. I am in the midst of convincing a young lady from GA that I am a complete fraud. She ordered a Case gift set 2 weeks ago...I told her I did not have in stock...Was told by case this set was to be released monday week ago...still do not have it..went thru a distributor...said I would have last friday..still do not have it...going thru another distributor who says i will have tomorrow. All of these stories have been told to my customer, one at a time. If I was her, I would think I was a complete idiot and would gripe,(but not face to face) MORAL...chill out...it may be a crime to say this here, but.."it's only a knife"(oh boy, guess I now rate a GBU raking.) md
 
I am one of the newbies here. I was thinking some of these negative comments were a little over the top for what in some cases didn't even seem to be worth the time it took to type the complaint. I am glad to see that this is not normal business here. I would not change my opinion or form one of a person over a single transaction. There are two sides to every story. I only look for repeated complaints from various people before I get suspicious.


Dennis
 
Let me say again, that I mean no offense to anyone, and that just being a newbie is not a social disease....welcome to all newcomers!

Just take the time to let things work out naturally before gettin' all juiced up. I had my ISP crap out for a couple days a few months back in the midst of 3 knife deals. 2 guys were buddies that knew me, and knew I wouldn't screw with them. The other guy got a little antsy, but didn't panic.

While I couldn't get online, I was wishing I had the guy's phone number so I could just call him.

I think phone calls are a marvelous thing for working out a problem before flying off the handle on here.

"What we have here, is, failure to communicate."
 
rdnzl,

Great topic! I wish I would have read this before I clicked on the Knife Outlet thread. I usually scroll down until I start seeing posts I have read and then work my way up. A lot of what is being said here, I repeated in that thread. What I hate is when they post an apology thread, but don't apologize in the original one. What if someone does a search and only ends up with the thread that trashes the person?

Jim McCullough

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I agree...mostly. However, there are instances where somebody complains and is attacked even though they have a valid complaint. Say a deal is made between fred and joe. Joe offers to trade/buy Freds knife. Fred sends his knife and Joe doesnt send his for a month. Joe doesnt respond to Freds emails. Fred comes here to complain, and rightfully so. Finally after enough pressure Joe responds with the 'usual excuses'. Gee Fred, my wife stuck the mail in a strange place, or I was out of the country and or, I had the knife boxed up and forgot about it and so on. After that, Fred is open to attack for not being patient, or he is accused of over reacting. Now, I understand delays do happen, but the person who is responsible for the delay does need to be held accountable. He should expect to be let off the hook just because he comes here with tired old excuses and a half-hearted apology.

Delays beyond anybodys control do happen, but its far to easy to make excuses and make the guy who got stiffed look like the bad guy.

I myself had one deal where a guy offered to buy one of my knives I was selling. I sent the knife out the next day as agreed. He was unable to mail payment that day like he said he would. However, he made every effort to keep me informed. He let me know there was a delay, and the next day he sent the money overnight mail. I was not concerned with the delay, and I was very pleased that he made it a priority to drop me a quick note to let me know, and I would have no concerns at all about dealing with him again.

Whether or not you are 'forgetful' that does not release you from responsibility of letting the other party know if you are going to be delayed in sending your payment/trade.

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Yeah, but ya know Richard, if you think that the other party didn't hold up his end of the deal, sending an e-mail or two and waiting a whole day
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for a response doesn't mean that you should then make the GB&U forum your very next option. Most folks here aren't exactly hard to find - especially those who make a living dealing with the knife buying/selling/making public. Folks should expend just a little effort before loudly proclaiming that the other guy is dishonest and dragging someone's good name through the mud.

And the guy who flew off the handle and blasted Fred at Knife Outlet apparently never even bothered to contact him at all before posting an "ugly" thread. No e-mail, no phone call, nothing...

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And another thing...

If a guy offers to buy your knife, but never sends you the money, you aren't out anything. You haven't been ripped off. You still have your knife. By all means put it up for sale again, but don't come here posting about it.

And what really gets me are these guys who come here and ask for forumites opinions and experiences with a dealer, hear a bunch of negative reports, then still buy from the dealer in question. One fellow did that very thing recently, then had the gall to get mad when he (suprise!) had problems with the dealer.

"How is Dealer A?"

"We've been ripped off by them before... He SUCKS! I've been less than satisfied..."

"Oh, OK. But his prices are soooooooo low that I'll take my chances."

Then you have the nerve to come here and whine about your crappy experience with him? Gimme a freakin' break!
 
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