perhaps a REALLY stupid question ....but....

Sometimes instead of grinding down the blade extending the handle might work.
Of course that's easiest with a fixed blade.
 
I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but...

5.5" blades are more than enough. If you're entering a building that prohibits firearms, you're unlikely to be entering a place where your life is in danger. How ridiculously paranoid do you have to be to feel the need to be armed -all- the time? What, are assassins out to get you? Do you think someone is going to threaten your life at Denny's in a manner that requires a weapon?

Get real. You live in Texas, not Bosnia. Without combat training, you're more likely to shoot a bystander than an assailant. Demonstrating that you have a good grasp of gun safety and laws does not prepare you for a life-threatening situation. Your shooting range skillz don't translate to the mental and physical chaos of a real attack.

I'm surprised some people even leave their home with how armed they feel they need to be. Life must be terrifying for them. Don't worry, you jumpy armed crackers scare everyone else too. Just makes me think of Falling Down every time I read or hear about someone who has to have an arsenal on them at all times.

Freaking terrified white people. I should be used to it living in the south for so long, but I never seem to acclimate to being surrounded by people who are afraid of all these imaginary threats and need these deadly worry-stones to caress.

I just picture that crap comic strip Cathy every time. "MINORITIES! MUSLIMS! CRIMINALS! ACK!"
 
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/16/local/me-pismo16

http://m.kdhnews.com/news/crime/for...aa4-f94e-11e2-ba66-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

http://m.koat.com/news/dennys-shooting-suspect-arrested-in-el-salvador/21966812

http://m.telegram.com/article/20061017/news/610170713

http://m.click2houston.com/news/3rd-suspect-in-dennys-fatal-shooting-arrested/21863696

Lulz... Did you mean Luby's?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_shooting

Well, damn. No luck there either.

Too bad nobody had a 5.5" knife! It would've been plenty. I guess they were stuck throwing ketchup packets. Because nobody had a gun but the bad guy. I bet none of the dead thought assassins were out to get them.
 
AntDog said:
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/16/local/me-pismo16

http://m.kdhnews.com/news/crime/for...aa4-f94e-11e2-ba66-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

http://m.koat.com/news/dennys-shooting-suspect-arrested-in-el-salvador/21966812

http://m.telegram.com/article/20061017/news/610170713

http://m.click2houston.com/news/3rd-suspect-in-dennys-fatal-shooting-arrested/21863696

Lulz... Did you mean Luby's?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_shooting

Well, damn. No luck there either.

Too bad nobody had a 5.5" knife! It would've been plenty. I guess they were stuck throwing ketchup packets. Because nobody had a gun but the bad guy. I bet none of the dead thought assassins were out to get them.
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No knife of any size would have sufficed, and having a gun and a permit doesn't mean one would react appropriately or even helpfully in such a situation.
 
Comeuppance said:
...Of more people getting shot.
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spoken like a true left wing leaning member of the sheeple ..... yes, lord forbid a non trained person have a gun or knife to defend themselves and their family with...far far better to sit quietly and wait your turn right?...at least that way you don't risk harming anyone else who may be behind the active shooter....right?....LOL

I'll just leave this here.... you can BET 99% of us could do better.... all the training in the world won't help in that situation, so if it's all the same to you, I'll NOT sit quietly by and wait to see who kills my family fist, the active shooter, or the cops trying to save us...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nypd-84-shots-brooklyn_55ec4b31e4b093be51bbb978

go shit in someone else's thread....thanks
 
Comeuppance said:
...Of more people getting shot.
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Yes the more people have guns the more gun accidents happen.
However they don't happen to me.
As long as I feel having a gun enables me to defend myself more than the risk of a gun accident to me I'll be pro gun.
Get rid of all guns and other weapons evil doers will have then I'll be turning in mine too.
But as long as there is only one lunatic out there with a gun I'd like to have one too.
Same with Military. What a waste of money but as long as one other country has one we need one too.
 
Comeuppance said:
I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but... 5.5" blades are more than enough.
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Lynn Thompson doesn't agree with you.

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[video=youtube;L5C8I9BJjSg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5C8I9BJjSg[/video]
 
Hawgsnawt said:
spoken like a true left wing leaning member of the sheeple ..... yes, lord forbid a non trained person have a gun or knife to defend themselves and their family with...far far better to sit quietly and wait your turn right?...at least that way you don't risk harming anyone else who may be behind the active shooter....right?....LOL

I'll just leave this here.... you can BET 99% of us could do better.... all the training in the world won't help in that situation, so if it's all the same to you, I'll NOT sit quietly by and wait to see who kills my family fist, the active shooter, or the cops trying to save us...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nypd-84-shots-brooklyn_55ec4b31e4b093be51bbb978

go shit in someone else's thread....thanks
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This isn't your forum, and you don't dictate who says what.

I'm not against guns. I'm strongly against gun control. I just stated (in a roundabout way) that most people who feel the need to have a gun at all times both overestimate their abilities and the likelihood of encountering a deadly situation. If you actually read my post, you'll see I never stated or implied a stance against carrying guns.

I'm not against people carrying guns - I want people to be armed, honestly, but I want them to be trained as well. Just having a gun makes you more of a liability than a helping hand in a shootout. There are more than enough studies that show that you're more likely to miss and get shot than you are to effectively resolve the situation.

Please, carry a gun, but take some real combat training so that you don't clip some bystanders. My post was about that specific variety of overly-paranoid person who feels the need to be armed at all times, but stops at the "being armed" part and doesn't actually do anything to become skilled with the weapons in an actual shootout. A terrified paranoid person with a gun is one of the most unsettling kinds of people to be around. Irrational constant fear combined with firearms and a complete lack of combat training - not a good combination.
 
Comeuppance said:
I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but...

5.5" blades are more than enough. If you're entering a building that prohibits firearms, you're unlikely to be entering a place where your life is in danger. How ridiculously paranoid do you have to be to feel the need to be armed -all- the time? What, are assassins out to get you? Do you think someone is going to threaten your life at Denny's in a manner that requires a weapon?

Get real. You live in Texas, not Bosnia. Without combat training, you're more likely to shoot a bystander than an assailant. Demonstrating that you have a good grasp of gun safety and laws does not prepare you for a life-threatening situation. Your shooting range skillz don't translate to the mental and physical chaos of a real attack.

I'm surprised some people even leave their home with how armed they feel they need to be. Life must be terrifying for them. Don't worry, you jumpy armed crackers scare everyone else too. Just makes me think of Falling Down every time I read or hear about someone who has to have an arsenal on them at all times.

Freaking terrified white people. I should be used to it living in the south for so long, but I never seem to acclimate to being surrounded by people who are afraid of all these imaginary threats and need these deadly worry-stones to caress.

I just picture that crap comic strip Cathy every time. "MINORITIES! MUSLIMS! CRIMINALS! ACK!"
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It's pretty clear to me what you meant. I don't agree, but that's ok. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

Taking a gun with you to defend yourself is admirable in my eyes. If more people did it, I think we would see far less of this "mass shooting" bullshit.

Now, taking 5 guns, 14 knives, an ASP baton, pepper spray and a couple grenades? That's a little craycray. ;)
 
Comeuppance has a really solid point that people would rather die than admit, that people live by fear. Pistols are finicky little beasts. A millimeter shift at the muzzle makes a huge difference 20 feet out. I grew up in Alaska, around guns, with guns, shooting guns, and so did most of the people around me. But I don't think I would trust most of those people if I was on the wrong side of the Firing Line when it went hot, because I don't trust ANYBODY with a gun pointed my direction. Anchorage cops get a lot of trigger time and spend a lot of time dealing with a heavily armed population, and they do a good job; it takes a pair of brass balls to traffic stop a good old boy who has had a few during hunting season. But the incident that forms my opinion came when a winter foot pursuit turned into a shootout. Four cops were chasing a man who turned and fired, 3 of the police had a clear line of fire. They shot him in the leg and shoulder, but they also got 2 houses, 2 cars, and a boat, and these are trained professionals. Everybody wants to think they would be Rambo in a firefight, Chuck Norris in brawl, and Musashi with a blade, but in reality there are far more mooks than there are Heroes. We would all fight to defend our families and our lives, and I would like to think I would throw down to save a stranger's life, but an extra 3 inches on my EDC are not gonna affect that overmuch.

Pocket swords are fun and they are impressive self-defense weapons. Carry one if you want. But if I am with my family in a restaurant and someone has one sticking out of a pocket, he would get a large chunk of my sub rosa attention. Same thing with a holster. Sure, he is likely fine, I might even have talked with him on this forum, but he has made a conscious choice to carry a weapon near me and that deserves my awareness. If that makes me a leftie sheeple, so be it.
 
BitingSarcasm said:
Comeuppance has a really solid point that people would rather die than admit, that people live by fear. Pistols are finicky little beasts. A millimeter shift at the muzzle makes a huge difference 20 feet out. I grew up in Alaska, around guns, with guns, shooting guns, and so did most of the people around me. But I don't think I would trust most of those people if I was on the wrong side of the Firing Line when it went hot, because I don't trust ANYBODY with a gun pointed my direction. Anchorage cops get a lot of trigger time and spend a lot of time dealing with a heavily armed population, and they do a good job; it takes a pair of brass balls to traffic stop a good old boy who has had a few during hunting season. But the incident that forms my opinion came when a winter foot pursuit turned into a shootout. Four cops were chasing a man who turned and fired, 3 of the police had a clear line of fire. They shot him in the leg and shoulder, but they also got 2 houses, 2 cars, and a boat, and these are trained professionals. Everybody wants to think they would be Rambo in a firefight, Chuck Norris in brawl, and Musashi with a blade, but in reality there are far more mooks than there are Heroes. We would all fight to defend our families and our lives, and I would like to think I would throw down to save a stranger's life, but an extra 3 inches on my EDC are not gonna affect that overmuch.

Pocket swords are fun and they are impressive self-defense weapons. Carry one if you want. But if I am with my family in a restaurant and someone has one sticking out of a pocket, he would get a large chunk of my sub rosa attention. Same thing with a holster. Sure, he is likely fine, I might even have talked with him on this forum, but he has made a conscious choice to carry a weapon near me and that deserves my awareness. If that makes me a leftie sheeple, so be it.
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Right? Heaven forbid I want people carrying deadly weapons to know how to handle themselves when things go south. It was interesting that someone posted a link to an article about a shootout involving a police officer that missed with 99% of his shots, as if that helped the case for untrained individuals carrying firearms. It does the opposite - that officer was trained with firearms and went through classes and specialized courses for the use of handguns in a deadly situation, and even that person with professional training couldn't hit the broad side of a barn when it came down to it.

It's the kind of thing that worries me occasionally - I'll run into someone who I wouldn't trust to figure out how to assemble a children's puzzle, but then find out that they regularly operate a motor vehicle at speeds that could kill with a moment's inattention. Give that same person a gun just because they know how to carry it without shooting themselves in the leg, and that doesn't make me feel any more safe... Especially if they feel that they -need- to carry it.

Someone who carries a CC firearm shouldn't feel unsafe without it - ideally, they should feel obligated to defend those in danger. Chances are, if someone is nervous without the constant presence of a firearm, they're not the kind of person who should have a gun on them. Too jumpy, too untrained, and too terrified to react appropriately.
 
I have grown up with, owned, and shot a multitude of firearms frequently throughout my life. That said, in a public situation where I do not have access to a firearm of my own, I would be far more afraid of several shooters (aggressors and vigilantes) than I would of a single aggressor with a gun. Anybody that witnesses the choices people make on a moment-to-moment basis in our daily lives (driving!!!) should be wary of greater quantities of armed people. I really have to empathize with the point Jens makes in post #28, but it does not compel me to carry. Just my opinions.
 
There is too much rationalization going on here. Like the notion that having a weapon is ok, but needing one is based on fear, or having one is ok, but having too many is crazy, or having a small one is ok, but carrying a big one is ridiculous, or concealed carry is responsible, but open carry is to be looked upon with suspicion, or whatever.

Personally, I thought the Great Sword and the Meat Bicycle explained everything clearly. But if you need to rationalize, listen to Lynn Thompson one more time:[video=youtube;rWT1-_S-aYw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWT1-_S-aYw[/video]
 
jeffright said:
There is too much rationalization going on here. Like the notion that having a weapon is ok, but needing one is based on fear, or having one is ok, but having too many is crazy, or having a small one is ok, but carrying a big one is ridiculous, or concealed carry is responsible, but open carry is to be looked upon with suspicion, or whatever.

Personally, I thought the Great Sword and the Meat Bicycle explained everything clearly. But if you need to rationalize, listen to Lynn Thompson one more time:[video=youtube;rWT1-_S-aYw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWT1-_S-aYw[/video]
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Rationalization is the name of the game when it comes to armaments. If you can't rationalize it reasonably, then it's unreasonable and irrational. It's not a fancy pocket watch that just happens to strike your fancy and that's all the reason you need - carrying an item designed to kill is something that should inspire a little introspection.

What's too many, too much, or too little all depends on the person and the situation. A person who lives in an area prone to violent crime is reasonably justified in carrying more than one gun, and perhaps additional ammo. A suburban commando (underrated movie IMO) will have a little more difficulty justifying having an ankle holster, shoulder holster, and a IWB holster all at once.

An honorable reason to carry is to defend those around you, and that leads to what I consider to be the right mentality for carrying a gun. A very silly and mockable reason is fear and terror of the world around you, and that leads to a terrible / terrifying mentality for carrying a gun.

Also, his movements at 1:22 are absolutely hilarious. I like his philosophy, though, as it's very similar to mine - always be in competition with something better than yourself.
 
Comeuppance said:
Also, his movements at 1:22 are absolutely hilarious.
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This was a LONG time ago in our old HQ.
Lynn was working on a lot of "X-hitting" drills from Panantukan (Filipino Boxing) at the time and he often ran through the movements while holding small weights as a warm up
A lot of boxers do this. X hitting is just another way of striking.
Out of context it looks weird for sure, but I'm sure that could be said for a lot of training drills.

Lynn has always been very outspoken about his belief in the individual's right to defend themselves, and we have a lot of things in our line up that would serve that purpose admirably. But as a wise man once said "they are all tools, I am the weapon"

Carry whatever you are confident and morally comfortable using. Get training, get familiar with your tools, but never forget that it's just a tool. Sometimes the highest level of skill is not using them :)
 
Cold Steel Knives said:
This was a LONG time ago in our old HQ.
Lynn was working on a lot of "X-hitting" drills from Panantukan (Filipino Boxing) at the time and he often ran through the movements while holding small weights as a warm up
A lot of boxers do this. X hitting is just another way of striking.
Out of context it looks weird for sure, but I'm sure that could be said for a lot of training drills.
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It is pretty funny out of context. I meant no disrespect, but, whoever edited that footage was probably chuckling.

Lynn has always been very outspoken about his belief in the individual's right to defend themselves, and we have a lot of things in our line up that would serve that purpose admirably. But as a wise man once said "they are all tools, I am the weapon"

Carry whatever you are confident and morally comfortable using. Get training, get familiar with your tools, but never forget that it's just a tool. Sometimes the highest level of skill is not using them :)
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This is the phrase that popped into my head after reading that:

"Some people are weapons carrying tools, and some people are tools carrying weapons."

Those that are not proficient with the effective use of their armaments under duress fall into the latter category.

Don't get me wrong, I carry knives all the time. When I'm off work, it's a Spartan, Large Espada, or one of my Protech Autos. However, if someone were to threaten my life, I would probably throw the knife at them and run. I'm no knife fighter, and if the other person has any kind of CQC training or experience, he's much more likely to disarm me and re-introduce the knife to me in ways I'm unlikely to be happy about.

I carry tools that look like weapons. Until I feel a need to train in knife fighting technique, they remain cutting tools. Not that any court would believe me, which is also why I'd probably just run regardless. Knife fights are some horrendous encounters, which is also why I would rather people carry guns and know how to use them. My life doesn't really permit that, as I'm generally at home, at work, or getting groceries. None of those places allow or need firearms for self defense. I'd get fired from work, banned from the grocery stores, and probably shoot through a wall and clip a neighbor if I used a gun in my apartment.

Heck, there was a story in the paper just a couple weeks ago about a local toddler getting a stray round in the eye and out the back of the head because of a home defense encounter. Just a or so year prior, a 5-year-old was shot to death through a wall by a few stray bullets from a police officer responding to a domestic dispute.

Again, not for gun control, but very very very much in favor of gun proficiency for those that carry.
 
AntDog said:
went with a Recon 1 XL
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I like the looks of that one better than some of the others from CS. I've had the idea to get something just under the 5.5" limit, the options seem to be various CS products and the Spyderco Tatanka. I was going to do it as a novelty, a Military or Manix 2 XL is about as large as I want to carry most of the time. The 5.5" limit can be a problem when trying to buy fixed blades. Too many that I like seem to be between 5.5" and 7". I did find a couple of interest that are just under 5.5"- the Ratmandu and the BRKT Bravo 1.25. OTOH even though the ESEE 6 looks interesting, it is a bit too long.
 
Cold Steel Knives said:
Lynn has always been very outspoken about his belief in the individual's right to defend themselves, and we have a lot of things in our line up that would serve that purpose admirably. But as a wise man once said "they are all tools, I am the weapon"

Carry whatever you are confident and morally comfortable using. Get training, get familiar with your tools, but never forget that it's just a tool. Sometimes the highest level of skill is not using them :)
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Well said! :thumbup:
 
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