permanently poisonous blade?

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hahaha why am i not surprised by this :D

reminds me of that verminously greedy blue shopkeeper from star wars on that desert planet

but seriously i dont think u can make a blade permanently poisonous with organic matter

maybe with radioactive matter, but it'll just kill the owner :D
 
I think somebody has been playing WoW or D&D too long. When he talked about the poisonous blade did he give the price in gold pieces?

Frank
 
"permanently poisonous blade"

Not that I have ever heard of...I say its BS....but their are many very strange devices that are real. Fact is better than fiction sometimes.



This blade is designed to carry a poison payload.
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The bullet to the far left is a ultra rare dissolving metal Bulgarian poison bullet.The nazis tested these quite a bit in the camps they worked great.
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Without a doubt, the "getting street cred" arguement makes the most sense. Similar tales of invincable, or unkillable warriors served the same purpose: to scare the $#ii@ out of the other side. IIRC, the masi warriors had a magic spell that would make them bulletproof. That psyched their own guys into running headlong into battle because they believed it AND scared the crap out of the other guys because they also believed it.

I can imagine that it would be easy to believe something like a poisoned blade myth a few hundred years ago. Personal hygiene and dirty water would make a cut infect pretty easily, so of course the poisoned knife would get the blame.

I've also heard of people so believing "you're gonna die if you get shot/getting shot will kill you" that a relatively minor shot would have them lay down and die. Although I've not seen direct proof of that story, I find it totally plausible. Psychology and the mind is a powerful tool that can be used for or against you.

Having said all that, I think it would be much easier to forge a curse directly into a blade than poison. I think all knifemakers should have the blade cursing ability.
 
churchlover said:
In some cultures they use poison from plants in on arrows to hunt animals. The arrow is tiny and the death of the animal is caused by the poison. Again this is not permanent....
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It is for the animal.

Seriously, my dad grew up in the country and he told me he and his friends would make poisonous arrows by dabbing them into the guts of frogs.

As for permanently poisonous, there aint a one of us who wouldn't be dead within weeks if we had such a thing. Don't believe every story you hear from an Arab.
 
The only reason "poison frogs" are poison is because of their diet..if they are not feed the right plants and roots they are no more toxic than a regular frog.:D

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i am no expert, but u must be kidding

i'd be surprised if they even eat plants and roots


dont frogs eat flies and other insects normally?
 
nephildevil said:
:eek::confused:

i am no expert, but u must be kidding

i'd be surprised if they even eat plants and roots


dont frogs eat flies and other insects normally?
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SORRY..For not being very clear on what I posted....:foot:

In the wild they eat a ant that feeds on plants that are poison and it gets passed on.If they are NOT feed the right plants VIA the ant or bugs they are NOT toxic at all.Its a plant-insect-frog toxin food chain


Here is more than you want to know....:D

Nearly 500 alkaloids have been detected in skin extracts from frogs of the family Dendrobatidae. All seem to have been sequestered unchanged into skin glands from alkaloid-containing arthropods. Ants, beetles, and millipedes seem to be the source of decahydroquinolines, certain izidines, coccinellines, and spiropyrrolizidine oximes. But the dietary source for a major group of frog-skin alkaloids, namely the pumiliotoxins (PTXs), alloPTXs, and homoPTXs, remained a mystery. In hopes of revealing an arthropod source for the PTX group, small arthropods were collected from eight different sites on a Panamanian island, where the dendrobatid frog (Dendrobates pumilio) was known to contain high levels of two PTXs. The mixed arthropod collections from several sites, each representing up to 20 arthropod taxa, contained PTX 307A and/or alloPTX 323B. In addition, the mixed arthropod collections from several sites contained a 5,8-disubstituted indolizidine (205A or 235B), representing another class of alkaloids previously unknown from an arthropod. An ant alkaloid, decahydroquinoline 195A, was detected in the mixed arthropod collections from several sites. Thus, "combinatorial bioprospecting" demonstrates that further collection and analysis of individual taxa of leaf-litter arthropods should reveal the taxa from which PTXs, alloPTXs, and 5,8-disubstituted indolizidines are derived.

Poison plant alkaloids are passed to aphids & beetles who feed on the plants and are passed to the ants from the aphids they tend.




People can become "poison" also ....For example ,Think about the typical IV drug user who is full of hepatitis c ,hiv & has a Staph infection.... you dont want that persons fluids on you !



I have heard of persons useing the above pictured style knifes along with Heparin,Jantoven,Phenindione,Phenprocoumon and their ilk.

Not really a poison blade but a chemical blade coating to help increase the blades killing power...I guess thats the plan I missed that class at ninja school:rolleyes:
 
i bet those natives know how to share a monkey then

as it is so food accumulative a poison

wudnt they be poisoned from eating the monkees then?

or become "poisonous natives" ?
:D
 
nephildevil said:
i bet those natives know how to share a monkey then

as it is so food accumulative a poison

wudnt they be poisoned from eating the monkees then?

or become "poisonous natives" ?
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Yes..I belive they would become "poison" over time.

I know this for a fact ,as I have seen it in person...The "Strychnine “signs” drinkers" down south can consume insane levels of "nux vomica"that are way beyond what would kill a normal size person.They have become aclamated to high levels it over time.In fact they say they get a speed type high off it and when the rattle snake bites them a few times its just heaven on earth....good god.:eek:

Same with a speed or horse junkie they can take far beyond what would kill you or me.


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churchlover said:
In some cultures they use poison from plants in on arrows to hunt animals. The arrow is tiny and the death of the animal is caused by the poison. Again this is not permanent. They just dip the arrows in the poison after the arrow is made.

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Many cultures poison the socket where the shaft and arrowhead meet, this way an accidental nick with the arrowhead won't kill you but sinking the arrow into your prey will kill it. The !Kung and other southern Africans use this technique, I mention it because this picture seems to illustrate it exactly, and if the guy is not !Kung he sure reminds me of people from a documentary on them I saw on them many years ago.

Re the original topic, I think permanent poisons are unlikely, probably myth or psychological warfare as noted. I believe Arsenic is techically a metal but I doubt you could fashion a knife from it. Ditto Polonium or radioactive substances.

In most cultures, IMO aside from dirty weapons giving infection it doesn't seem like poisons were used all that often in warfare. For one thing, poisons that kill on ingestion are common but getting something to stick to a weapon and remain lethal for a time on being put in the bloodstream seems quite tricky. In battle an opponent's slow death through say tetanus or AIDS or something is not going to help you survive the fight. Most animal venoms lose their lethality on exposure to air pretty quickly, and where are you going to get enough of it to coat a sword edge? Better be confident you don't cut youself while doing it--thus the !Kung's technique.

Clearly I have thought WAY TOO MUCH about this topic!
 
alwilliam said:
Yes..I belive they would become "poison" over time.

I know this for a fact ,as I have seen it in person...The "Strychnine “signs” drinkers" down south can consume insane levels of "nux vomica"that are way beyond what would kill a normal size person.They have become aclamated to high levels it over time.In fact they say they get a speed type high off it and when the rattle snake bites them a few times its just heaven on earth....good god.:eek:

Same with a speed or horse junkie they can take far beyond what would kill you or me.


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Many poisons will produce a hallucinogenic or euphoric response in non-lethal doses. A good friend of mine had a friend in high school who used to dose himself with rat poison--strychnine the active ingredient. Good god is right!
 
Don't forget to check the search function in the practical tactical section on poisioned blades.

Lets just say that the legal ramifications of carrying/using it in any situation will be worse than if you used any other blade out there.
 
don't small doses of strychnine kill you after a prolonged time?

isnt it a way to slowly murder someone?
 
nephildevil said:
don't small doses of strychnine kill you after a prolonged time?

isnt it a way to slowly murder someone?
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No....Arsenic ,Fluoride,etc... are cumulative type poisons.

In fact I took a few small doses of nux vomica myself when I was researching the Holy Ghost snake group (when in rome).:D

Its like a high dose of caffeine when taken in super small doses...see 1/270 gr .I still have the box of pills a old time drinker gave me to try. They take these type pills and up to 50 a day every day...its keeps the body ready for the massive powder doses mixed in water and taken in church service.


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Poisons are not really what people think...I also know of cases where "witchcraft" type people that have built up very high levels of hyoscyamine, atropine, scopolamine in their system from breathing their incense and takeing the raw herbs that were far above what would kill a normal person.



Poisons are usually classified according to their effects as corrosives, irritants, or narcotics.

Corrosives include strong acids or alkalies that cause local tissue destruction, externally or internally; that is, they “burn” the skin or the lining of the stomach. Vomiting occurs immediately, and the vomitus is intermixed with blood. Common or so-called household corrosive poisons include hydrochloric acid, carbolic acid, bichloride of mercury, and ammonia.

Irritants such as arsenic, mercury, iodine,act directly on the mucous membranes, causing gastrointestinal irritation or inflammation accompanied by pain and vomiting; diluted corrosive poisons also have these effects. Irritants include cumulative poisons, those substances that can be absorbed gradually without apparent harm until they suddenly take effect.

Narcotic poisons act upon the central nervous system or upon important organs such as the heart, liver, lungs, or kidneys until they affect the respiratory and circulatory systems. These poisons can cause coma, convulsions, or delirium. Narcotic poisons include alcohol, opium and its derivatives, belladonna, turpentine, potassium cyanide, chloroform, and strychnine. Also included in this category is one of the most dangerous poisons known, botulin toxin, a potent bacterial toxin that is the cause of acute food poisoning.

Blood poisoning, also bacterial in nature, is a condition that occurs when virulent microorganisms invade the bloodstream through a wound or an infection. Symptoms include chills, fever, prostration, and often infections or secondary abscesses in various organs . Most poison gases also have an effect on the bloodstream. Because these gases restrict the body's ability to absorb oxygen, they are often considered in a separate category called asphyxiants, to which group ordinary carbon monoxide belongs. Gas poisons, however, may also be corrosives or irritants and on and on until your bored to tears.......
 
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