Personal lubricant question

I'm partial to a silicone based product called EROS which is made in Germany by PJUR. It doesn't dry out, get sticky, or absorbed into the skin. Very skin sensitive and as hypo-allergenic as you can get. It's also a bit pricy at @ $10 for a 100mL bottle but a little really goes a long way and available at better "adult" retail shops. Something I did find humorous about the stuff is the fact that EROS spelled backwards is SORE! :eek:

If your not comfortable searching for a local supplier or ordering online, Astroglide is about as good as it's gonna get which is available at any pharmacy nationwide. It's always been my "reserve" when the EROS starts running low. It's much better than K-Y and tops just about every other product readily available.

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Sex ed teacher back in highschool told us a story of a couple, while out on a picnic, decided they wanted some and didnt have any lube so they used mayonaise from their picnic basket.
 
Words of wisdom from an adult retailer ...

All water-based lubes get sticky after a while. Water evaporates, that's just how it is. It doesn't take much to "recharge" it - a couple drops of water or a little spit will do it, and if you're using it for "normal" activities, the body will supply most of the moisture it needs to keep going. It washes away easily and won't stain the sheets.

"Wet" is kinda like Ford - everybody knows the name, and everybody will drive one at least once. It's not horrible right out of the bottle, but gets sticky pretty fast. Like Ford, people who swear by Wet do so probably because they've never tried anything else and like knowing what they're getting rather than risking the $ on something different. Also, Wet seems to stay sticky - the water/spit trick isn't very effective with this stuff, you just have to add more lube.

"Astroglide" is crazy-slick. For some this is a good thing, others find the lack of friction disappointing. They've got a newer gel version of the lube that lasts a bit longer, and is better at staying where you put it, but isn't quite as slick to begin with.

Most other water-based lubes fall somewhere in between these two. Unlike books, these can be pretty well judged by the packaging - if the packaging looks cheaper than Wet or Astroglide packaging, the product is probably cheaper, too. There are a few exceptions, of course, like some of the "O'My" packaging and a product called "Slippery Stuff," but the general rule still holds.

Avoid flavoured and otherwise "enhanced" water-based lubes like the plague! Most of these start out pretty sticky. "Warming" lubes mostly work by being sticky to begin with. Flavoured & warming lubes really aren't for lubrication anyway, but for flavouring naughty bits. If that's what you want in a "lube," then flavoured Wet isn't terrible, O'My has some oddball (and tasty) flavours, but a flavoured spray would be the best way to go.

Silicone lubes don't dry out, which is good, but the variance in lubricity from one brand to the next is severely extreme. Never use a silicone-based lube with a silicone toy, or non-latex condom, because silicone sticks to itself like nobody's business. Pain in the butt to get rid of when you're done with it, it will stain, and they're all pretty pricey.

Since Eros was named specifically ... I've had two different customer reactions. Some think it's the best thing to happen since the discovery of fire, or the wheel, and can't get enough of it. The majority of my customers, though, don't like it much at all. It's not, and will never be, sticky, but it doesn't seem to lubricate very much either.

Wet "Platinum" is silicone-based. As far as I know, it's also the only one that sells with an "after-wash." It's a little slicker (and less expensive) than Eros, and the after-wash is a nice touch. None of my distributors carry this any longer, so I wonder about availability.

The only other silicone-based lube I'm familiar with is called "Jo." I don't sell much of this stuff at all, because it's REALLY expensive for a lube. It's really slick, but doesn't go on "thick" (like a water-based lube would) so the sensitivity is still there. The problem with Jo is that it doesn't come off. There was a leaky bottle in my last shipment of this stuff, and there's no cleaner you'd want anywhere near your skin (especially that skin!) that will get rid of it.

Bottom line: It all comes down to preference. Almost every lube is available in a 10cc "pillow pack," most for around/under $1 (Eros comes in a tiny glass vial, and is 2 or 3 times the price), so you're not spending a lot to find the right one. Head to the nearest large adult video/toy store, spend $10-$15 on a mix of them, and experiment (that would be the fun part).
 
man... i hate it when you press back on your mouse accidentally and your entire post gets erased....

i completely agree that you should try out different brands each time you need it. it'll add something new to the experience each time, and after about 8 bottles, you'll have a pretty good idea of what you like and dont like for what you use it for.

most of what lube is good for depends on three things - whats your speed, whats your pressure, and whats your time?


if you plan on an activity that requires skin to skin motion thats fast paced, astroglide is a good choice. its fairly "slippery", wich gives the sensation of the two skin surfaces gliding over each other, hence the astro glide. the problem i find with it is that if you stop for any length of time, you get a reaction that is similar to olive oil and other vegable oils, it will seperate out from any bumps, leaving a skin on skin friction that feels almost worste then if you were using nothing. this is much worste with k-y, wich i feel is worthless for anything other then medical instrument insurtion - and thats only because you only need it to work for about a minute, and it wipes off with a towell. astroglide is good for light play/moderate to fast speed with light pressure.

if your planning on going reeeeal slow like, or grinding, or using something thats a little bigger then would naturally fit without stretching, astroglide is a poor choice. the second you start putting slow moving pressure on the mucous membrane skin/skins, water based lubes start to fail. silicon lubes are better in this respect, and will tend to last longer then water based (especially in a wet environment like the shower). they will continue working while there isnt much motion going on, but (for the ones ive tried) also can give an even "slippery-er" feeling then water based lubes. this can be good or bad depending on what you like. but, since your going slow, your going to have a better sense of whats going on down their then if your going fast and have no friction whatsoever. another problem is that its harder to get off then water based lubes. my suggestion for this, is to get a soap with a mild abrasive component in it, like whole oats. if you can find it, soaps that have one side complely covered in oats, and the other just soap, you can lather up, and then scrub the area with the watter softened oats to quicken the removal of the lube. i find that you can generaly remove the stuff within about 45 seconds using this method. just remember to work from top to bottom, as whatevers on top will drip/get pushed down if its not cleaned off.

if your going to be doing size play however, ive found both silicon and water lubes to be completely inadaquate. in this case, im all for oil based. i know they dont allow for latex use, but quite frankly, its the only thing i know that works. vasalene is the obvious everyone can get it option, and is reletively safe for both men and women. a cheaper, less known (to the public anyway) alternative is crisco, or smart balance vegatable shortenings. the benefits - lasts about 30 minutes of heavy duty/pressured rubber on skin, silicon on skin, skin on skin, latex on skin action, and can take deep tissure style pressure better then anything ive seen. the drawbacks - it may be unsafe for a woman to use, in that the vegable shortening (especially if not properly cleaned off), can leave a bacteria freindly apmosphere in the vagina. even for anal play with women, the stuff is bound to cover her genitals. that being said, i havent read to many accounts of women using the stuff, so i cant give you a good statistical report on the danger of the stuff in that regard. im not exactly sure how the intestines react to the stuff to be honest... i know that within 24 hours, all residue will be gone though. the biggest probem to be found with vasaline and crisco and other oil based lubes - darn near impossible to get off. again, i would suggest the soft exfoliate pad and lathered soap, working to to bottom. it'll also make your shower or any tile surface a deadly walking ground - make sure you have grip mats/floor mats to cover up any spills. vegatable oils also tend to leave a thick scent in the room.


so, again, its all in what you need it to do. fast light stuff - astroglide is decent, way better then k-y. for heavier play, messages, slow play, eros and other silicons will out perform water based. for heavy play - oil is about the best you can get.

dont be afraid to try something new - even if its a bad experience, as long as you go slow, the body is pretty resiliant, and you can always try soemthing different next time.
 
I once knew a girl that prefered plain old skin lotion. She only needed a small dab to get started. After that she could supply her own lub.
Seems like I heard somewhere that skin lotion wasn't a good choice. I think they said it can cause yeast infection?
 
"Does anyone know about these products? Any reports, good or bad? We haven't used either one yet, and would like some real world opinions, rather than advertising fluff."

i dunno... i think its still along the same lines of the original post... i tried not to stray to far off course with it :footinmou

my opinion still stands from what i said in he post, k-y is totally useless for anything but the absolute lightest massage, and then only for a few minutes. if your lady needs something to really help out, k-y will fail you. that has been my experience with it. astroglide will do a better job, along the same lines of what k-y is designed to do, but is pretty striaght and simple vanilla oriented. example of what i mean - get some and put iton your thumb and forefinger, and then rub them together, now rub them together hard. notice how you can feel the pads of your fingers running across each other, but instead of what i would normally feel like (just a slightly bumpy pad on a slightly bumply pad), you can now feel the individual lines of you finger prints as they pass each other? the water base helps draw out some of the skins otherwise naturally built up oil without giving an adaquate replacement (k-y that is). i hate the stuff...


if you mean way off topic from gadgets and gear, where would one post a question about folder hinge lubricant? blade discussion? cause its not actually about the blade... or really even about the knife itself... and anyways, it keeps things intersting :) *ya, its a little off topic :p *



hand lotion depends on what your using. more then anything, hand lotion is meant to be used externally (if your using it for massage purposes, then what you said would work just fine and be safe). one of the main irratants in hand lotion - cetyl alcohol, and sodium chloride. anything with an alcohol or a salt in it will burn like made on mucous membrain skin (beyond the mouth). it will also have a tendancy to irritate and dry out the skin temperorarily, wich can lead to infection. if you need something thats just really quick and simply, and everyone has it, id go with a couple dabs of olive oil.

*edited to add, or saliva*
 
Wow! 27 replies & counting- I didn't think this would be such a popular topic. :D

I originally posted this in the community forum because, well, gadgets & gear didn't cross my mind, and no other forum seemed appropriate to the subject. I certainly wasn't looking for any x-rated or vulgar reviews of the products, just comments such as, "This works very well...", or, "That didn't do what it claimed...", or perhaps even, "My wife & I tried this product, and she had an allergic reaction to it, so be cautious...", etc.

I do say thanks to you all, your comments have been useful. My wife, Mardier, had actually bought the Astroglide, but I'd never heard of it, and wanted to know how it compared to other products before deciding whether to keep or return it. Mardier suggested I go on the forums and ask about it, since I seem to ask about everything else here. So, for the moment, we'll be trying that out. We bought it just in case we needed something a little extra, but I don't really think it'll see much use. The natural lube should prove adequate for our purposes.

maximus otter said:
I love the way you were careful to get "My wife and I" as the first words of this thread!

:D

maximus otter

Not being careful, just telling the truth- I can't think of any other way I'd start the thread. Actually, as I write this, she is still my fiancee; however, since we'll be getting married shortly, it seemed ultimately more accurate to refer to her as my wife. I raised this question because it was recommended that we purchase some artificial lube, just in case we needed it after we were married and started the physically intimate part of our relationship.

The replies have been helpful for us, and perhaps will prove useful to others in the future. After all, doesn't everybody go to a knife forum for this kind of information? :p :D :eek: :rolleyes:

Thanks again,
Frank
 
Castrol Syntec 10W30 works well. Proven protection without thermal breakdown. :)
 
K.V. Collucci said:
Castrol Syntec 10W30 works well. Proven protection without thermal breakdown. :)
Hahaha... yea, then you can check how much of that good stuff she's holding in her "oil pan" with your "dipstick" ;)
 
powells85 said:
Hahaha... yea, then you can check how much of that good stuff she's holding in her "oil pan" with your "dipstick" ;)
I find it disturbing that you're thinking about my wifes "oil pan". I find it more disturbing that you're thinking about my "dipstick". Don't make me have to come to Wayne and kick your ass. :p;):D
 
K.V. Collucci said:
I find it disturbing that you're thinking about my wifes "oil pan". I find it more disturbing that you're thinking about my "dipstick". Don't make me have to come to Wayne and kick your ass. :p;):D
Ooooh, big tough guy :rolleyes: ... when I said "she" I wasn't refering to your wife but rather whoever the "users" wife is. The whole thing was just a general statement regarding your "10W30" suggestion :p

Now as for kicking my ass, you might be bigger than me, but I can guarandamntee you that I'm quicker than you :D :p Now you don't make me come to Clifton and embarass you in front of all the boys at the station :p :D
 
powells85 said:
Now as for kicking my ass, you might be bigger than me, but I can guarandamntee you that I'm quicker than you :D :p
You may be quicker at running away and I won't chase you. But that won't matter when I connect with the first punch...which I always do. :p :D ;)
 
K.V. Collucci said:
You may be quicker at running away and I won't chase you. But that won't matter when I connect with the first punch...which I always do. :p :D ;)
You'll never land the first one, told you, I'm too fast :p My reaction speeds are sick. And who's says I'd "run"? I'll cut you down like a tree ya bastid :D ... 24 hours :p

Now maybe we can get things back on topic unless Ken feels the need to act like a big tough guy again :rolleyes: :)
 
At first I thought this had to be a joke (frankieCRABS). Then I realized it was serious, and that just made it more funny.
 
andymp said:
At first I thought this had to be a joke (frankieCRABS).

Actually, the crabs portion of my username derives from my last name, minus three letter i's. My father had a law office some years back, with his name on the front window. Some children were standing out front one day, and he overheard one telling another, "If you take out the i's, you get the word 'crabs'.", or words to that effect. That struck me, when I was younger, as an interesting little anecdote, and so I used it when I signed up on the forums.

Frank
 
KC Slim said:
Crisco works good
ya it does :) cheap too. (see my posts above for comments on it)

i realized something about it today that ive always had a problem with - wich is true to all lubes, it becomes more viscous at inner body temperature... same goes with vasaline esp.

i wonder if you could find a solidified substance that would be at the heighth of its lubricity at/slightly above inner body temperature...

it would probably take a good 5-10 minutes of friction/pressure to build up the temperature, but by that time vasaline and crisco are begining to lose their awesome beggining abilities.

the reason i beleive it works so well is because part of it is absorbed into the skin. when you have a lube that only coats the surface, any pressure will seperate it off of the skin, leaving tight skin on skin friction/pressure, on a type of skin that doesnt take well to it. where as with vasaline and crisco, you end up with a very thin layer of aborbed oil, wich isnt much, but its there, enough to prevent immediate tearing/abrasion.



while all this may seem vulgar - the saftey and comfort of your loved one, especially in an intimate setting is something to take very seriously. in regards to talk of sexual acts and religion - i'll use sharp phils reasoning - you should keep an active mind, not an open one. listen to what is pertinent, reasonable, and logical, and disregard those parts that arent needed.
 
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