Peter Carey 6K Nitro Wharncliffe Flipper

severedthumbs said:
seems like a mash up of styles of Mayo, Munroe, Onion, and Burke to name a few.
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Doug, I fail to see any of the comparisons that you made, unless you are trying to say that all tactical knives look alike.

This knife does not have the futuristic styling of a Munroe, it does not have the exaggerated curves that are Ken Onion's bread and butter, and it does not have the extra wide profile that Jim Burke has become known for on his knives.

Even if you say that every knife with holes in the handle looks like a Mayo, I've never see Tom use this exact hole pattern before.
 
I am not a fan of framelocks or tacticals, in general, but I tend to make an exception for Carey's knives. I especially like the blade shape on this one. Modified wharncliffes with a swedge, well ... I haven't found a more useful blade shape. Great score.

Paul
 
the big hole Mayo, the hole pattern at end of handle Munroe, clip design Munroe, chamfer along the lock bar cut out Burke or Blackwood. handle design Munroe. blade, Smyth perhaps? these are just some things I see on quick glance.

I'm not saying he is copying anyone straight out, I just see other makers influences in many of his knives.



you cant tell me these are not very Munroe-esque handles;

http://careyblade.com/Nitro flip blktan (600 x 450).jpg
http://careyblade.com/Nitro warnie 2 (600 x 450).jpg
http://careyblade.com/Nitro flip brn g10 (600 x 450).jpg
http://careyblade.com/Knifeboy 2 (600 x 450).jpg
http://careyblade.com/Nitro blk,tan 2 (600 x 450).jpg
 
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severedthumbs said:
the big hole Mayo, the hole pattern at end of handle Munroe, clip design Munroe, chamfer along the lock bar cut out Burke or Blackwood. handle design Munroe. blade, Smyth perhaps? these are just some things I see on quick glance.

I'm not saying he is copying anyone straight out, I just see other makers influences in many of his knives.



you cant tell me these are not very Munroe-esque handles;

http://careyblade.com/Nitro flip blktan (600 x 450).jpg
http://careyblade.com/Nitro warnie 2 (600 x 450).jpg
http://careyblade.com/Nitro flip brn g10 (600 x 450).jpg
http://careyblade.com/Knifeboy 2 (600 x 450).jpg
http://careyblade.com/Nitro blk,tan 2 (600 x 450).jpg
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Doug, those partial length overlays do remind me a lot of what Deryk Munroe does on his scales, but I hadn't seen those until you just pointed them out to me, and they're not on my knife.

Influences are no problem either, every maker is influenced by someone that came before them.
 
commodorewheeler said:
Influences are no problem either, every maker is influenced by someone that came before them.
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I guess my problem is that it isn't so much influence as if an Onion(or another premier designer) was a Mercedes, this Carey would be a Lexus in car lexicon.

Mercedes comes out with a new design, and Lexus bangs just enough to be different, but it still looks like a Japanese made Mercedes.

Does this make sense to you, Ken?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
I guess my problem is that it isn't so much influence as if an Onion(or another premier designer) was a Mercedes, this Carey would be a Lexus in car lexicon.

Mercedes comes out with a new design, and Lexus bangs just enough to be different, but it still looks like a Japanese made Mercedes.

Does this make sense to you, Ken?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Your analogy makes sense to me, but I don't feel that it really applies in this case. IMO, Carey's work doesn't look enough like any other specific designer to fit the analogy.
 
commodorewheeler said:
Your analogy makes sense to me, but I don't feel that it really applies in this case. IMO, Carey's work doesn't look enough like any other specific designer to fit the analogy.
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That's all right.

Have fleshed out my points enough that hopefully it is taken as just another observation or opinion without coming off as catty, which was not the intent.

As you know, I have mucho respect for your eye, your passion for collecting top tactical knives, and your ability to see outside of the box.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
That's all right.

Have fleshed out my points enough that hopefully it is taken as just another observation or opinion without coming off as catty, which was not the intent.

As you know, I have mucho respect for your eye, your passion for collecting top tactical knives, and your ability to see outside of the box.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Not catty to me, Steven. We've disagreed on knives before, and I'm sure we will again. Not a problem in my book.

Same respect back at you, bro.
 
I don't think it looks like a mashup of any other makers designs either. I agree with Ken on this. I don't think Peter Carey's work looks like any other makers, but his own.
 
I don't get over here to much but I heard there was a little discussion about a Nitro I made Ken, so I figured I'd chime in.
First of all I don't understand why anyone would want to make Ken feel bad about his new toy? I don't get it!
This Nitro was custom made for Ken to his specs, if he's happy with it then I'm happy, and that's all that matters!

As far as my influence, Like all other knifemakers It comes from those before me!
Some of the things I like on a tactical folder and you'll see on most of my knives are a finger guard, thumb ramp, pocket clip and a liner-lock, sometimes a frame-lock, holes, holes in tail, holes in tail with the scale cut back exposing the holes.
Why? because they work, feel good in my hand and look good and collectors want them!
Holes not only look good but they lighten up the knife.
I don't personally like the frame-lock style, I don't like to see the lock on the back-side, it seems un-finished to me, but a lot of people like them so it is an option.
As far as the chamfer on the lock cutout, It's not for looks, you remove some of the thickness of the Ti by using a ball mill so when you cut the slot with a $100 carbide slitting saw you have a lot less chance of breaking the saw blade, ask me how I know $$$

Every knifemaker is influenced by others even the current popular makers!
Lets look at some of the popular features of tactical folders and where they came from:

Liner-Lock: Michael Walker 1980 he got the idea from an electricians knife.

Frame-Lock: Chris Reeves 1991 derived from the Liner-Lock.

Thumb ramp: probably Bob Terzoula early 80s

Holes: not who you think! Pat Crawford was drilling holes in Ti frames back in the 80s and butterfly knives had holes in the frame before that.

Holes in tail with cutback scale: Again not who you think! Mike Franklin was doing this in the early 90s. If you need to see a photo, I can email it to ya.
These guys where drilling holes before most of use even knew what a pivot pin was!

Pocket clip: Sal Glesser (Spyderco) 81.
While were talking about clips, the clip on Kens Nitro is the best designed single screw in a milled pocket fold-over deep pocket clip ever! and yes it is a Deryk Munroe design and I use it with his permission! It's only available on the Nitro as a requested option, It's not the standard Nitro clip.
Deryk was not the 1st to use a single screw and a milled pocket, I think that was Terzoula, or the 1st to use a fold-over clip but he was the 1st I saw put it all together!

Flipper: Kit Carson got the idea from Randall Gilbreath, Kit thinks Randall got the idea from Mel Pardue.

Chisel-ground blade: Ernest Emerson got the idea from Phill Hartsfield.

The point is we are all influenced by others and we learn from each other and the knives keep getting better.

Ken, Thanks for showing off you Nitro!

PJ CAREY
 
I completely agree with Mr. Carey. There are only 360 degrees in a circle. I'd say its almost impossible to not find other makers influence on any custom knife!
 
that was a cool post, Mr. Carey. Well said!
 
I guess it comes down to some are indirectly influenced and others are more directly influenced. This is ok, and no one was making Ken feel bad. Ken will buy what he likes I am sure regardless of what any of us think.

Thanks for the post though pj. It has some nice history included.
 
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