PH2 a DU knife?

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Mountainwind

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I saw the PH2 with blue jigged handles on Ebay and liked the looks of them, kept looking and found one NIB. Got it in today and is really a great looking knife.
The ones on Ebay came with or without the sheath. The ones that did, had a DU sheath.
I was interested to see if it was just a sheath added to the auction for the sale, or if it was original to the knife. Well, mine came with a DU sheath, but nothing on the box, paperwork or knife says anything about it being a DU edition, so I am wondering if it is a DU knife, or maybe a last minute "we have all these extra sheaths so lets use them" kind of deal.
Anyone?
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I agree. You will see all sorts of sheath/box/paperwork mismatches now. And sheath groups for sale. It does appear to be a real SDUPH2 sheath. And a real PH2. If you want a correct sheath for it, who knows what it looked like? These blue bones were not marketed that we know of. I'd vote for a plain sheath exactly like that one in black or brown, but my guess is no more valid than the next guy's.
 
Just to make it "look" better, I will be looking for a plain sheath, leaning towards black, but it's still up in the air.
 
I got the same one,with the same sheath, NIB. The box says it's a PH2 BB ( I guess for blue bone.) It also says it comes with a "genuine leather sheath", but doesn't specify color or design. It was all packed in the box pretty officially, knife in cardboard sleave, sheath in clear plastic with the Schrade blue knifecare paperwork, etc.

Eric
 
Here's the box;

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Now we are getting somewhere. The only blue paperwork I have recorded so far are the #7007180711, © 1998, Schrade blue/black text PRF#-EKC01-01 (lists the Schrade website), and the #7180814 multilingual (English, French, Spanish and German) white/blue from the Canadian boxes. What is the code number and details from your paper?

Your box is of the same design and copyright date (1991) as the original boxes for two other documented European special knives, the 19OT and the 512OT. Is the endflap nomenclature printed on, or a sticker? A sticker might indicate an attempt to use up left over European boxes for a SFO. More importantly, was there a product code number?

I do find a listing for a PH-2E in this time period, and it was not too uncommon for Schrade to have a different in-house working number than the number placed upon the retail boxes such as on the orange handled knives "SM/OTO" (I.E. "PH-2BB/PH-2E"?)

Also brief mentions have been seen indicating orders for "Ducks Unlimited Europe". Understand that Schrade's "European Market" included a very big but under-recognized (by us) market, that of Australia. This is where many of the orange handled Safe-T-Grip series went. How bout it mates? Any clues from down under? Or from Germany?

Codger
 
Ok, here's what we've got, the paperwork is blue/black print says Schrade Old Timer with the flag and website. It's #7007180709.It's all English, copyrighted 1998. The rest is all the warranty info and questionare. The only other code on it , which is in bold black on the address side and the questionare side, is EKA01-01.
The box is of course blue/black. The endflap is written:

PH2 BB
Mini pro
Hunter
w/sheath
The PH2 BB part is a nicely concealed sticker, I never even noticed it was a sticker(black with blue writing).It's impossible to peal off. That's about it Codger, hope it helps.
Eric
 
Well, it all does raise suspicions about it being a seller's (or distributor's) assemblage. Was it purchased on the 'Bay, or from a brick and mortar retailer, and if so when? You see, these boxes are appearing on eBay right now "mint with correct papers", and the same seller has a few PH-2, and PH-1 knives as well in these boxes, with the marker stickers indicating handle materials of micarta and burlwood. He also has "mint with correct papers" white DU boxes for sale. As we see, the European boxes bear the date of 1991 (and the 512OT and 19OT prove out with the records to be of that approximate date), but the papers the seller includes with the boxes are considerably later. Now this doesn't disprove the legitimacy of the info, it just does not conclusively prove it. Dang. The box may be legit, the paper not, or the sticker not, and still dunno about the sheath.

Still, every little clue helps. Thankyou.

Codger

 
Codger,

Got it on ebay about two weeks ago. There's another guy in my area who has about fifteen of them without boxes that he got at the plant before they closed, but he doesn't know what the original intentions where for the knife either. The only thing I can see that's legit about the box is that the description on the back describing it as blue jigged bone is actually printed on the box and not a sticker. The only sticker is the end flap with the letters
"PH2 BB". The parts under it "Mini Pro Hunter w/Sheath" are also printed on the box. I did notice a set of blue jigged knives that was in a frame that sold on ebay recently, I'll try to drag up a photo.
Eric
 
Ok, here's the set. The seller noted that "special edition" is etched on the blades. I also just noticed that there seems to be a medalion on each handle, but I guess we'll never know what that says. Wish I'd noticed that when it was listed. The seller also said that he heard it was for a 9/11 tribute, but had no proof of that either.

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Eric
 
Didn't someone post a link to that auction here? Maybe we could ask the buyer or seller about the shielding.
 
I checked the back of my box, and it is a sticker. It is the length of the box and about 3/4 of the width. Width is from memory as I am in town at the moment. I am thinking of trying to remove a sticker on one end and see what's under it.
 
Schrade did place stickers on stock boxes, and on occasion simply ink-stamped numbers on the end of white blank boxes. Don't damage your box on my account.
 
Guess what, after mountainwinds post I checked the back of my box, and it's a sticker too! If you look closely at the above photo you can actually see the top and bottom outline. They sure do a neat job putting these on!Think I have to be a bit more observant before I post. I'll tell you one thing, unless you have some other method, trying to pull the stickers off just removes the outer box beneath it, so all you're left with is white torn paper. Tried it on a small corner and it doesn't even begin to peel off.
Eric
 
Then it does sound like a factory mod on an existing box. We need to go about this from a different angle then, as we did with the 19OT/512OT. Vee need der papahz!
 
Here is a picture I had archived with "5OBC" as the title. That doesn't tell us much (and I'm not sure where the title originated), but perhaps with the etch and shield, we can ballpark date these. We should be safe in conjecturing that all five patterns with this bone were contemporaries. Agree?

 
That shield looks really familiar.The only ones I have are the heritage Schrades with the dates on them, but I know I've seen them on another knife.
Eric
PS I would think tey're contemporaries, although it seems some of them were sans shield.
 
Yes, that is a standard antiqued nickle silver oval Schrade shield. It was used on many different issues and larger patterns (wouldn't fit on smaller ones like that 34OT pattern). I've seen it specified for use on a few patterns for U. S. Tobacco (Skoal knives in antiques brass), among others.

I contacted one seller who repeats the lore about them being made for Lowe's and being in process when Schrade closed. Shielding was one of the very last operations in many assembly processes, so the shielding may have been deleted from these post July 30th 2004 as they began simply trying to use up materials and to build up stock of finished knives for the October auction at the bank's direction. The Lowe's hypothisis may well be correct. And it would not be a case of the contract falling through (Lowe's "changing their minds"), but rather of the bank/court forbidding further contract fulfillment. Again, I'm not sure about the use of the European boxes dated 1991, but those added labels are done very professionally (Text style/spacing/colors match very well), and it would be a smart use of an overstock package item to put on revised art stickers and use them for an SFO. Still all conjecture at this point, and may remain forever so unless someone contacts a former member of management who knows first-hand the story on these. A primary resource, person or paper, is needed.
 
dang, now ya'll done got me interested in this!! its like CSI SCHRADE! haha!! it is neat, i heard the lowes rumor awhile back too. heard they were gonna replace case with schrade, but i guess when schrade went under the deal fell thru. dont see many case knives at lowes around here much anymore, mostly sheffield and gerber now.
 
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