looks like i'll be doing some business with the steel baron... though $50.00 is far from the 20 everyone keeps telling me to expect... lol... probably have to wait untill after the new year though... might have to build me a homemade belt sander in the meantime though... should be able to get the supplies to do that without costing me more than a couple bucks... wish i had more access to the CNC plaz's at work... could draw out and pre-cut all the pieces at work... lol... oh well.. have to just do it the old fashioned way... a torch and drill press... thanks for the tips guys... it may end up being a slow moving thread... but i'll check back in with progress...