Im considering buying one of these 2. Which would be better for an everyday carry knife for serious use? I work in a place where I do odd jobs and I have to cut stuff constantly. I'm from Connecticut, so the total cutting edge has to be 4" or under. How long is the cutting edge of the Carnivour? Also, feel free to include any other comments you feel would help me out in my decision. If I get a pioneer, I am thinking drop point. I've read all the posts I could find in this and other forums and I'm still undecided. Thanks for the help and info!
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Pioneer and Carnivour
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For a general cutting tool I would say the Pioneer. Personaly I like the Swept Point the most but thats a personal prefrance. It's the strongest tip and has a lot of belly which allows for more edge on the object your cutting, if you use the knife in a sweeping cut.
Bob Taylor
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For a general cutting tool I would say the Pioneer. Personaly I like the Swept Point the most but thats a personal prefrance. It's the strongest tip and has a lot of belly which allows for more edge on the object your cutting, if you use the knife in a sweeping cut.
Bob Taylor
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Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints and escaping.
To put my opinions in perspective, let me say up front that I'm expecting two new Pioneers to arrive today or tomorrow, and I'd be happy to sell one to you for $70 plus shipping. They have the old style lock, and one is clip point and the other drop point. I got two as a result of some excessive bidding on my part on www.bladeauction.com. I have to learn to limit myself to one auction at a time.
I haven't actually seen or used a REKAT knife yet, but from what I've read on the forums the biggest liability of the Carnivore is probably its weight. I've heard it's around 7 oz, which is a lot to carry around all day, especially if you want to carry it in your pocket. Several people have stated they use Pioneers for their daily carry knives and are very happy with them. So my conclusion, which lead me to bid on the Pioneers, is that it's the best choice for regular carry and day-to-day use.
I sure like the looks of the Carnivore, though. I'll probably pick one up someday...
-Brett
I haven't actually seen or used a REKAT knife yet, but from what I've read on the forums the biggest liability of the Carnivore is probably its weight. I've heard it's around 7 oz, which is a lot to carry around all day, especially if you want to carry it in your pocket. Several people have stated they use Pioneers for their daily carry knives and are very happy with them. So my conclusion, which lead me to bid on the Pioneers, is that it's the best choice for regular carry and day-to-day use.
I sure like the looks of the Carnivore, though. I'll probably pick one up someday...
-Brett
Thanks for the info! I think I'll go with the Pioneer and maybe get a Carnivour later on. Now I just have to chose the blade style and old or new version. Mr. Taylor, how easy is the swept point to sharpen with a Lansky system? I was thinking about the drop point model because I thought it would be a little easier to sharpen with a Lansky kit. That swept point does look like it would slice! Also, what is the difference between the lock release near the blade versus on the handle? Why the change and what are the pro's and con's for each? I don't really know much about either one.
Brett, thanks for the offer, but I think I'll have to pass. I have to have my parents approve the purchase and that may take a while! They aren't too crazy about me buying knives all of the time. I have 20 that just sit in a box. Plus, I need to work to get some money first.
The weight of the knife doesn't bother me. I like them to be solid and carry a Leatherman Supertool, so I'm used to the weight.
Thanks for the info!
Brett, thanks for the offer, but I think I'll have to pass. I have to have my parents approve the purchase and that may take a while! They aren't too crazy about me buying knives all of the time. I have 20 that just sit in a box. Plus, I need to work to get some money first.
The weight of the knife doesn't bother me. I like them to be solid and carry a Leatherman Supertool, so I'm used to the weight.
Thanks for the info!
I think the two main differences between the old and new locks are that the new lock has a somewhat more convenient release, and the new lock uses the Rolling Lock itself to hold the blade in the closed position. The older locks used a standard ball bearing detent to hold the blade closed.
I doubt there's much difference in sharpening ease between the swept, drop, or clip blades. I personally think the swept blade looks kind of funky, and I'm not a fan of tanto blades, so I prefer the clip and drop. Between the two, I think I like the looks of the clip point a bit better.
My two REKATs just arrived, and I concur with the general consensus that these are really nicely-sized and solid knives. The finish is kind of rough, and I'd like to see them have textured handles, but overall I'm impressed.
Taz - no problem about not buying a knife. One of my coworkers liked the clip point so much he just bought it from me.
-Brett
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I doubt there's much difference in sharpening ease between the swept, drop, or clip blades. I personally think the swept blade looks kind of funky, and I'm not a fan of tanto blades, so I prefer the clip and drop. Between the two, I think I like the looks of the clip point a bit better.
My two REKATs just arrived, and I concur with the general consensus that these are really nicely-sized and solid knives. The finish is kind of rough, and I'd like to see them have textured handles, but overall I'm impressed.
Taz - no problem about not buying a knife. One of my coworkers liked the clip point so much he just bought it from me.
-Brett
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Thanks again for the info! Yes, I'm over 18, but I still let my parents know what I want to get. I figure if they let me get a Gunsite Folder, I can get a Pioneer, but it costs 2 times what my Gunsite did. I sent the Gunsite back cuz I don't really like serrations and the blade was 1" over the legal limit in CT. Oh well, it was nice while I had it and I hope to get a Pioneer very soon..in fact, I'm going to call my parents now and bug them about it! Now I just have to choose between swept or drop point...decisions, decisions, decisions!
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Taz
I see no problem with the Lansky with a Swept Point. Blade style is often a matter of taste, which is the reason we offer the Pioneer in four blade configurations
Brett was sort of correct but also the new slide bar uses a compression coil spring which is supriour in both operation and life expectancy. The old spring, while we worked out the bugs early on is inferiour. Part of the reason for the early models to be quite honest and frank, is thats what we could afford to build at the time. We could have waited till the tooling was done and we could afford it and not made the market for another seven or so months. In retrospect we feel we made the right decision. Many people like the old style better and we might offer the front lever again in the future. Right now we are working on switching to machine grinding, the Sifu, improvments is our look, ie textured handles and better finish and a new little side project of using Talonite in limited productions. Thanks for the support.
Bob Taylor
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Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints and escaping.
I see no problem with the Lansky with a Swept Point. Blade style is often a matter of taste, which is the reason we offer the Pioneer in four blade configurations
Brett was sort of correct but also the new slide bar uses a compression coil spring which is supriour in both operation and life expectancy. The old spring, while we worked out the bugs early on is inferiour. Part of the reason for the early models to be quite honest and frank, is thats what we could afford to build at the time. We could have waited till the tooling was done and we could afford it and not made the market for another seven or so months. In retrospect we feel we made the right decision. Many people like the old style better and we might offer the front lever again in the future. Right now we are working on switching to machine grinding, the Sifu, improvments is our look, ie textured handles and better finish and a new little side project of using Talonite in limited productions. Thanks for the support.
Bob Taylor
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Taz,
I have an older style swept point that I sharpen with a Lansky system. It works fine. I am not sure why but the ATS-34 seems harder to sharpen (meaning it takes longer) than other knives I have with the same steel. I dont know if it has something to do with the heat treat or not.
I have an older style swept point that I sharpen with a Lansky system. It works fine. I am not sure why but the ATS-34 seems harder to sharpen (meaning it takes longer) than other knives I have with the same steel. I dont know if it has something to do with the heat treat or not.
Thanks for the info. As of now, I'm leading toward the swept point. How well does it pierce? Sometimes I also need to pry with the tip a little, so I'm looking for a strong tip that will still pierce. Keep the comments coming! They are helping a lot and I appreciate them. I need all of the info I can get to convince my parents to let me spend the $$ on a knife, which is always a challenge. They usually don't mind if it is under $60, as long as I justify it and don't buy more than 1 a year. With the retail of $130, they are a little unsure about it. I found it for about $90 at Discount Knives, so I'll probably order from there. And yes, my parents still think that a $10 folder is as good and safe as a $130 folder...oh well, I'm still trying to educate them!
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The swept point wont pierce very well. I dont think it was designed to. If you are wanting a knife for utility that also has good piercing ability I would recommend the clip point. The Carnivour, while designed as a fighter, could be used in a utility role as well.
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Speakers chosen over a knife!? What's the matter with you? What's more important is what kind of morals did your parents instill in you. I need to talk to them, Taz! ;-)
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Yeah, I wanted the knife, but my parents said it was one or the other. The speaker was on closeout and I got this years model for the closeout price, so I got it for $300, rather than $600. I still want the Pioneer 2, Carnivour, SOCOM MA, Mini SOCOM MA, GENESIS 1 and 2, Axis, etc, so don't worry that I am giving up on knives!