Pioneer or pioneer x

Rsmith_77

Rsmith_77

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Just poking my head back after several years
I adore my pioneer and somewhere along the way I picked up a pioneer x

Do people find the scissors worth the extra width and weight?
Do you utilize the scissors enough to really want it with you at all times
Why am I even worrying about this? Stay tuned for more ADHD knife questions ;)
 
Yall making me want to at least give it a shot
I rarely use my scissors on my minichamp that I keep on my keyring, so it hasn't been my experience yet

Course I almost never remember my minichamp on my keyring ..it's just there
 
Another X vote.
I have a couple SAK's without scissors. They rarely get carried.
My most carried is a Huntsman.
The scissors are my most used blade.

"Course I almost never remember my minichamp on my keyring ..it's just there"
I know the feeling.
 
I've had a few SAK's over the decades that I have been a sakkist. Once in a while I used them, but it was rare and to honest I think I could number the events on one hand with a few fingers left over. I ended up dup gifting off my bigger SAk's with more than two layers in my aging process. Now I don't have a SAk with a saw blade. If I go camping theres a real folding saw in the car emergency kit in the truck that is a real saw. I just don't find the saw that useful in my real world life as a city guy.

BUT...scissors are a very good thing. A knife blade is not good for trimming nose hair, mustache, a chipped/broken nail, cutting a piece of rubber inner tube to a precise shape for a gasket in a makeshift repair, cutting few hairs to get a burr our of the long fur of a Australian shepherd, snipping thread when making a new fishing lure, snipping a long strip off a clean folded up bandana to make a bandage wrap for the grandchild's finger when a boo-boo happened and there wasn't a real bandaid around. He wore it proudly telling mommy all about it when we got home. In fact, after a cleaning he refused a real bandaid and wanted one of grandpa's bandana finger wraps in the blue paisley. Memories like that are priceless. Plus he learned how to make a bandage from a bandana using a small SAK scissors.

My daily carry is a little classic, and the scissors are a must. But when teamed up with my old Wenger Si, that has no saw or scissors, the duo make a powerful team, and I like having the scissors on my everyday really everyday carry. But I never miss having a saw. If I didn't carry the classic and SI. I'd go with a Pioneer X, and leave it at that. If I'm out in the woods and need a saw, (the only time I'd really need it and not have my workshop available,) then the Fiskars sliding bade saw in my day pack will do. It will go thorough a 2 inch tree limb or sapling like a beaver on crack. The SAK saw is too small to be really useful unless small diameter stuff that can be cut through with a knife using the right technique.

Scissors yes, saw no.
 
jackknife said:
Now I don't have a SAk with a saw blade. If I go camping theres a real folding saw in the car emergency kit in the truck that is a real saw. I just don't find the saw that useful in my real world life as a city guy.
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The municipality keeps the low hanging hat stealing/eye poking branches, trimmed on the bike/pedestrian paths, and the bushes along the sidewalk/bike path* trimmed so they don't force folk into the road?!? 🤯😳
Amazing.

I use the saw to trim the branches and bushes along the bike paths, and sidewalks where it is ... inadvisable ... to ride in the street ... no curb, drains oriented to capture tyres, etc. I Twin Falls, most of the sidewalks have been redone at the intersections to be wheelchair friendly.
Along Blue Lakes Blvd., in the downtown district, and a "few" other streets (pretty much all those with a sidewalk), even the bicycle cops ride on the sidewalk.

*In several cities I've ridden my bicycle and/or adult trike in Iowa, Illinois, Florida (Tampa/St. Pete, Miami-Dade, and Monroe County (Monroe County is AKA: "The Florida Keys & The Everglades"), Kansas, Nevada, New Hampshire, and Idaho, the sidewalk is also part of the official "bicycle lane".
The (incomplete last time I rode it, c.2007) bike lane from Florida City to Key West incorporated the sidewalks and fishing walkways across the no boat clearance bridges.

I've also used it on a few of the trees here at the Assisted living facility.
 
Of all people Carl, I assumed you'd be the first to balk at the pioneer x for its weight alone
That surprises me

jackknife said:
I've had a few SAK's over the decades that I have been a sakkist. Once in a while I used them, but it was rare and to honest I think I could number the events on one hand with a few fingers left over. I ended up dup gifting off my bigger SAk's with more than two layers in my aging process. Now I don't have a SAk with a saw blade. If I go camping theres a real folding saw in the car emergency kit in the truck that is a real saw. I just don't find the saw that useful in my real world life as a city guy.

BUT...scissors are a very good thing. A knife blade is not good for trimming nose hair, mustache, a chipped/broken nail, cutting a piece of rubber inner tube to a precise shape for a gasket in a makeshift repair, cutting few hairs to get a burr our of the long fur of a Australian shepherd, snipping thread when making a new fishing lure, snipping a long strip off a clean folded up bandana to make a bandage wrap for the grandchild's finger when a boo-boo happened and there wasn't a real bandaid around. He wore it proudly telling mommy all about it when we got home. In fact, after a cleaning he refused a real bandaid and wanted one of grandpa's bandana finger wraps in the blue paisley. Memories like that are priceless. Plus he learned how to make a bandage from a bandana using a small SAK scissors.

My daily carry is a little classic, and the scissors are a must. But when teamed up with my old Wenger Si, that has no saw or scissors, the duo make a powerful team, and I like having the scissors on my everyday really everyday carry. But I never miss having a saw. If I didn't carry the classic and SI. I'd go with a Pioneer X, and leave it at that. If I'm out in the woods and need a saw, (the only time I'd really need it and not have my workshop available,) then the Fiskars sliding bade saw in my day pack will do. It will go thorough a 2 inch tree limb or sapling like a beaver on crack. The SAK saw is too small to be really useful unless small diameter stuff that can be cut through with a knife using the right technique.

Scissors yes, saw no.
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Rsmith_77 said:
Of all people Carl, I assumed you'd be the first to balk at the pioneer x for its weight alone
That surprises me
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I don't know why you are surprised, I still don't carry much beyond the classic on most days. If I see a need, depending on what I am doing that day and where I will be, my old Wenger Si is my go-to if I think I will need a more sturdy screw driver or bigger blade. BUT...it still spends most the time in the sock drawer. My 90% daily carry is the classic paired up with a Leatherman Squirt. Both the classic and squirt give me scissors, a blade and some tools for dealing with Phillips and flat screws and whatever. I find the small pliers on the squirt to be as useful as scissors, maybe more so. Both tools are small and take up minimum room in my pockets. I don't own a pioneer x, or a Pioneer of any sort. If I go on a woods walk or fishing, my daypack is Wirth me with more capable tools like the Fiskars saw that weighs almost nothing, and my Buck 102 woodsman.

But around town, I just don't need much. Certainly not a multilayer 91 or 93mm SAk in the pocket. The whole opener layer of the SAK's are redundant with the P-38 in my wallet.
 
Well the pioneer is basically the same as the Wenger SI, except it has the keyring instead of the bail
And I think the pioneer blade is a little ..pointier than the SI blade
 
I like having scissors, but for what I use scissors for I prefer the smaller 58mm size. More handy for trimming beard hairs or cutting off tags, etc. I also like keeping the knife in my pocket relatively light, so I go with a pioneer in pocket and a classic SD alox on the keys
 
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