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Mis- getting better, walking around more but that means legs hurt more as well. Uneven ground really does a number on them so it will be a while until I can go into the wilds but soon. How is your leg?

I'll talk to Juli about the supermodel club but no guarantees (doesn't hurt to ask until she kicks me in the ankles though). Does sound like fun though- aren't you the one living with the model though. Sorry for the hijack Doc
 
Oh, man, I hear you on the uneven ground thing! And also on the walking more...but hurting more as a result thing!

I can hardly complain about my leg while posting next to you anyway! It's like whining to Ray Charles that I think I need reading glasses! At least you did yours in heroically jumping out of an airplane...when you get right down to it, I gimped myself by falling over. HOW COOL!!!

Sorry about the hijack here too Doc, don't mean to take away from your post at all! Your stuff is always super informative; my main worry about bush survival is that I barely know what a plant is, unless it's a giant softwood! I would be forced to foolishly rely on an Atkins diet out there...less predictable and more difficult than having a good botanical knowledge by far! I would like to develp your level of knowledge over time...but with my glacially paced brain I would have to get to the combined ages of you and OldPhysics just to have a glimmer!
 
Sorry about the hijack here too Doc, don't mean to take away from your post at all! Your stuff is always super informative; my main worry about bush survival is that I barely know what a plant is, unless it's a giant softwood! I would be forced to foolishly rely on an Atkins diet out there...less predictable and more difficult than having a good botanical knowledge by far! I would like to develp your level of knowledge over time...but with my glacially paced brain I would have to get to the combined ages of you and OldPhysics just to have a glimmer!

LOL.

Don't worry about the hijack, guys. I'm glad to hear about your progress (both of you).

misanthropist - I wouldn't worry about your lack of wild edible knowledge in a survival situation - meat would be the way to go and you seem to be up to date on that.

Doc
 
Do you think so? It is certainly more energy-dense but I wonder if the fact that meat runs away and hides from you makes it more difficult to base a short-term survival diet on.

I don't have TV but the couple of encounters I've had with the Les Stroud show left me with the impression that you might be eating a lizard every other day for meat, whereas if you had extensive plant knowledge, maybe in five hours you could harvest five thousand calories worth of food.

Granted he doesn't seem like an especially skilled hunter and unlike us, he can't be carrying snares into the bush for his shows so maybe it would be pretty easy to get yourself a couple of squirrels a day, and around here I know I could pull a good trout a day out of a lot of rivers without working too hard...IF I had the fancy equipment civilization has given me access to. If I fell off a train in the middle of the bush without guns or snares or fishing tackle I think I would do pretty poorly for meat.
 
Do you think so? It is certainly more energy-dense but I wonder if the fact that meat runs away and hides from you makes it more difficult to base a short-term survival diet on.

I don't have TV but the couple of encounters I've had with the Les Stroud show left me with the impression that you might be eating a lizard every other day for meat, whereas if you had extensive plant knowledge, maybe in five hours you could harvest five thousand calories worth of food.

While plants don't run away from you, for the most part they do lack 2 very important (especially in a long-term survival situation) components - fat and complete protein. Most plant (wild and domestic) foods have incomplete protein, so you have to combine plant foods- those with shortages of certain amino acids with those with an abundance (this is grossly oversimplified but hopefully makes the point).

It used to be thought that this had to occur at each meal, but more recent research has determined that the balance has to be struck daily. Vegetarians have to consider this when trying to come up with a healthy diet, and they're not in a survival situation.

Try finding edible plants in the winter, especially if you live in an area where the ground is frozen (like here :() Also most wild edible plants have little in the way of calories and quite likely you would expend way more energy in gathering them then you would realize from eating them. As a supplement, both for variety and nutritional requirements (think vitamins and minerals) they are excellent but as a main source of energy, a losing battle.

There's another survival consideration and this point has been made by John McPherson. It's so much quicker to learn to hunt and trap, than to learn all the wild edible (and poisonous) plants.

Granted he doesn't seem like an especially skilled hunter and unlike us, he can't be carrying snares into the bush for his shows so maybe it would be pretty easy to get yourself a couple of squirrels a day, and around here I know I could pull a good trout a day out of a lot of rivers without working too hard...IF I had the fancy equipment civilization has given me access to. If I fell off a train in the middle of the bush without guns or snares or fishing tackle I think I would do pretty poorly for meat


But isn't this one of the reasons to practice wilderness survival/primitive skills - to learn how to make snares and traps from what nature provides; rabbit sticks, fish spears, etc.

As just one example, even if you don't know Stinging Nettle from Basswood, if you have clothes on, you can probably spare a little off the bottom cuff of your pants, or shirt sleeves, whatever, to make up some snares or a fish line. I'm sure everybody recognizes the following picture as blue denim from a pair of jeans.

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A web belt:
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The cordage from both of these examples were strong enough to use (and were) as the bow string for bow drill fire making.

Sure, I know that in a survival situation you may not want to use any of your clothing for this purpose, but it is just an example.

IMHO, everyone who is seriously concerned about learning wilderness survival should be placing more emphasis on skills such as this (cordage making) and less on equipment from the store, because with enough equipment, you're not surviving, you're camping.

I apologize to every one for jumping on my soap box, but sometimes I really worry when I see how much emphasis and reliance is placed on the latest fire making gadget or hi tech knife (and I like toys as much as anybody). If for some reason, you're separated from them and you have no back up skills, YOU'RE SCREWED! And isn't this how people find themselves in a survival situation in the first place - all of a sudden, for whatever reason, they find themselves removed from the very things they think they need to survive.

Whew! Now I have to lay down. :o

Please understand that the preceding rant was not meant to offend or upset anyone, but rather to encourage skill development. :):):)

Doc
 
Great post! I guess I will have to devote more time to the "primitive skill set" and less to worrying about the vast array of plants out there.

Maybe the proof is in the evolutionary pudding, anyway: if our bodies were easier to maintain on a herbivorous diet than an omnivorous one, we would probably have a very different digestive system and cooking meat wouldn't smell particularly good to us. The brain is a pretty high-calorie device, too; I guess the thing to do is get your food packed in little fur or scale packages, and then supplement it with wild fruits and vegetables to ward off the various ails of a limited diet.

Incidentally we don't get basswood out here but stinging nettles are aggravatingly common...I guess though if I were going to try to manufacture cordage it wouldn't be so aggravating!

Anyway that was a great post; lots to think about there and definitely changed my mind on the whole food issue. Now I feel better for knowing more about unzipping rabbits than digging up tubers, too!
 
DOc- you are the inspiration I had for learning cordage and other things during my convalescence. Now I have 30+ feet of twisted hair, make cordage out of Starbucks straw wrappers and anything else I get my hands on. Pretty bad disease you have given me- but I am nowhere near as good as you (yet). Also made a whistle out of a poplar branch this fall and look forward to more ideas once I can get out there. Now I just have to learn Bow Drill- hard to do without pressure on my foot and without bending over.

Thanks!
 
Now I have 30+ feet of twisted hair, make cordage out of Starbucks straw wrappers and anything else I get my hands on. Pretty bad disease you have given me- but I am nowhere near as good as you (yet). Also made a whistle out of a poplar branch this fall and look forward to more ideas once I can get out there. Now I just have to learn Bow Drill- hard to do without pressure on my foot and without bending over.

Thanks!

LOL. I used to make strips out of paper towel, TV guide, plastic bags, etc., so I know exactly what you mean.

By the way, you can do hand drill by sitting on the hearth rather than standing/kneeling on it.

Doc

Cuts Like.... one other thing I thought of for you, being laid up and all. Teach yourself net making. It's quite easy, once you get started AND YOU CAN DO IT SITTING DOWN. If you're interested, email me.
 
Hey Kris,

Got your email, and reply sent.

BTW, when you were cording the hair, did you have to wet it first? I have no experience with hair as I seemed to have misplaced mine.

Doc
 
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