Please bring back the original tglb

I always do struggle a bit with INFI "not holding an edge" I mean I think most here know I have spent a good bit of time processing many deer from gunshot to plate and since @2013 almost all of them have been happily done with my B4, it still has the "factory edge" that has been no more than stropped to bring it back. I have never felt I needed more from that edge even after cutting though lots of wet/muddy hides. I think that we should always talk about edge retention in relative terms not so much that somehow INFI does "not hold an edge".... just my 2 cents.
 
I always do struggle a bit with INFI "not holding an edge" I mean I think most here know I have spent a good bit of time processing many deer from gunshot to plate and since @2013 almost all of them have been happily done with my B4, it still has the "factory edge" that has been no more than stropped to bring it back. I have never felt I needed more from that edge even after cutting though lots of wet/muddy hides. I think that we should always talk about edge retention in relative terms not so much that somehow INFI does "not hold an edge".... just my 2 cents.
I have the same real experience with my TGLB in INFI, my TGULB in INFI , NMFBM, MOAB and for sure my AK 47 in INFI
They all hold an edge really really well. Even after doing what no knife should.

And for ElMax, my steak knife has way out performed any expectation I have had.
My Sawback is getting there.

And I have done lots of cutting, chopping, and down right abusing with all of them.
Real personal use I have witnessed with my own eyes and and shared pics here on the forum for all to see.

Again no offense and not starting a pissing match, because we all know how those end.


So I will ask again who here has used this Magnacut stuff ?
Is it expensive ? Hard to get ?



Please do not take it as a "fan boy" running to protect INFI. I am a fan for sure but not the only reason I ask.



I ask because I see lots of folks asking for Magnacut here and there, "lets make this knife of Magnacut lets make that knife out of magnacut" all this excitement has to be from actual use right ? not just internet hype ?

I would love to see if the magnacut performs genuinely interested
 
Wasn't the original just the TG? Then thinner and lighter "Light" and "Ultra Light" were added. I think there was even a heavy brigade. Definitely would be cool to see some new offerings.
I believe that you are correct in that the first one was just the TG. IIRC, there was also at TG14. From 2014? Dunno. It did not have a fuller, that I recall. It may have been the TG14.
There was the TGLB (subject of this thread, in spite of all this Magnacut distraction), and now the TGULB.
Also along the way was the TG Crusader (there might have been another letter or two in there, but the main thing was it was Team Gemini Crusader. My personal favorite, although I don't have one, and probably never will be able to get one.
There was also the TGM, and I think the TG-M (the first one, then the later one). The TGA2, and TGM-A2. And let's not forget the TG-P, the LONG one.
Also the Forsaken Team Gemini (or was that just Forsaken Gemini?). And YES, there was the HOG Gemini (Thicccccccck).
I think that MAY cover them all. And I think I have (at least) one of each except for the TG (whatever original), TG14, TG Crusader, TGLB, and HOG Gemini.
 
I have the same real experience with my TGLB in INFI, my TGULB in INFI , NMFBM, MOAB and for sure my AK 47 in INFI
They all hold an edge really really well. Even after doing what no knife should.

And for ElMax, my steak knife has way out performed any expectation I have had.
My Sawback is getting there.

And I have done lots of cutting, chopping, and down right abusing with all of them.
Real personal use I have witnessed with my own eyes and and shared pics here on the forum for all to see.

Again no offense and not starting a pissing match, because we all know how those end.


So I will ask again who here has used this Magnacut stuff ?
Is it expensive ? Hard to get ?



Please do not take it as a "fan boy" running to protect INFI. I am a fan for sure but not the only reason I ask.



I ask because I see lots of folks asking for Magnacut here and there, "lets make this knife of Magnacut lets make that knife out of magnacut" all this excitement has to be from actual use right ? not just internet hype ?

I would love to see if the magnacut performs genuinely interested
I have 2 Magnacut blades on order from CPK. It will be while before I have them in hand. Nathan will probably share his testing with his customers as we get closer to blades being delivered. He usually does when new blades are released. As far as getting a Busse Kin with Magnacut. I’m not just pulling this idea out of thin air. It was reported on the Swamprat forum that Magnacut was in the house.
Maybe it’s not gonna happen for Busse, or maybe it’s supposed to be a secret. Either way I will get a chance to try it out soon enough.
 
I have 2 Magnacut blades on order from CPK. It will be while before I have them in hand. Nathan will probably share his testing with his customers as we get closer to blades being delivered. He usually does when new blades are released. As far as getting a Busse Kin with Magnacut. I’m not just pulling this idea out of thin air. It was reported on the Swamprat forum that Magnacut was in the house.
Maybe it’s not gonna happen for Busse, or maybe it’s supposed to be a secret. Either way I will get a chance to try it out soon enough.
well that would be cool, I will have to get one whoever makes one :) Hopefully Busse-kin
 
So I will ask again who here has used this Magnacut stuff ?

I have four customs in Magnacut, with another two on order. All from David Mary David Mary . Here's three of them with a Bushwacker Mistress:

Infi-magnacut.jpg


MagnaCut is awesome. It's like elmax but tougher and more stainless.... and edge holding is comparable. IMO it's Elmax but better. Which doesn't make Elmax bad, it's still awesome. But if you love Elmax, why wouldn't you want elmax but with increased toughness and stain resistance?

My current personal preference for a 'knife combo' is INFI in big / hard use knives, and MagnaCut in small / sharp knives.

My thoughts on why Magnacut is worth considering, even for those whose favorite steel is INFI:

- The obvious reasons are the increased stainlessness and edge-holding. Magnacut is almost stain-proof (it is at the low end of 'saltwater steel,' close to H1 / vanax / LC200N). It's edge-holding is ballpark on par with 4V, elmax, m390, vanax, etc.

- It is the toughest of the high-edge-holding stainless steels, by a fair bit. Give Bussekin are all about toughness, this should get any Hog / Dog / Rat's attention. There are videos of makers testing magnacut - e.g. Shawn (BBB handmade knives) - doing things like cutting through steel bolts with minor damage.

- I like Magnacut in knives that I want to be SHARP. The very fine structure of the steel and high toughness mean you can get very thin edges that are still stable. I don't like to do that to INFI because at that thinness, it loses a lot of the benefits of its legendary toughness. A super thin edge in INFI will warp or roll. I think Jerry has said something in the past about INFI not being the best steel for super thin edges.

It isn't as expensive as exotic steels (e.g. vanax, LC200N) but it isn't cheap either. You can only get it currently through limited Spyderco runs or custom makers, as far as I know. But it's a new steel, so it's becoming more widely available as time goes on and, given the interest in it from large companies, I'd bet it will become pretty common in the future.

If I could only have two steels for knives, it would be INFI and Magnacut.

If Busse developed a custom heat treat and produced some thin-behind-the-edge sharp knives in Magnacut, I'd be over the moon.

Check out the thread https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/cpm-magnacut-–-the-next-breakthrough-in-knife-steel.1782546/ and Larrin's article https://knifesteelnerds.com/2021/03/25/cpm-magnacut/ for more info, including on testing.
 
I believe that you are correct in that the first one was just the TG. IIRC, there was also at TG14. From 2014? Dunno. It did not have a fuller, that I recall. It may have been the TG14.
There was the TGLB (subject of this thread, in spite of all this Magnacut distraction), and now the TGULB.
Also along the way was the TG Crusader (there might have been another letter or two in there, but the main thing was it was Team Gemini Crusader. My personal favorite, although I don't have one, and probably never will be able to get one.
There was also the TGM, and I think the TG-M (the first one, then the later one). The TGA2, and TGM-A2. And let's not forget the TG-P, the LONG one.
Also the Forsaken Team Gemini (or was that just Forsaken Gemini?). And YES, there was the HOG Gemini (Thicccccccck).
I think that MAY cover them all. And I think I have (at least) one of each except for the TG (whatever original), TG14, TG Crusader, TGLB, and HOG Gemini.
Which one is your favorite, and why, please ?
 
INFI is pretty corrosion resistant. It is very tough. It’s not so good at holding an edge.
I would like a knife such as a Ratmandu that can cut well and hold an edge. Sr101 does a good job, but it is not stainless.
Other makers are capable of putting out blades that are thin behind the edge and able to hold an edge for a long time. Such as D3V. As good as D3V is, Nathan is still bringing back one of his most popular models ever in Magnacut. That alone makes me believe there is more to it than hype.
I don’t need a TGLB in Magnacut. But a more useful blade like the Ratmandu with thin edge geometry in Magnacut….
Jerry would sell as many as he could produce.

This 'holding an edge' term is very vague. Without more specifics it's difficult to really understand your point. Which specific knife in Infi are you comparing the Ratmandu in SR-101? How long have you owned/used both knives and how many times have they been resharpened? How are they being resharpened? At what point do you consider your knife to have lost an edge?

I can almost guarantee you if you consider INFI to be low in edge holding that you are happy to use knives all the way to a very low level of sharpness (as in 5-10 percent of optimal sharpness). Many people will happily do so and it's not a comment to you personally but given my own uses, I would never use a knife to such a low level of sharpness. If you are inclined to resharpen much sooner (say 50% of optimal sharpness) then most steels behave pretty comparable to get to that point.

Also worth noting, what you are cutting makes a large difference in how long until the blunting occurs. Cliff stamp went to great lengths to document all of this before he'd even begin to put together an idea of one knives performance compared to another. Multiple trial runs are needed to be certain what you are seeing is not actually some random event that's related to something you can't understand or notice.

Sharpening quality (or lack thereof) actually makes an incredible difference in edge retention and often much more so than any differences in steel can produce. There's a much greater chance IMO, that you may be in fact dealing with microscopic burrs on the edge of the INFI that are quickly collapsing in use. A properly sharpened knife edge should last quite a while whereas a poorly formed/burred apex will fail almost immediately in comparison.
 
I have four customs in Magnacut, with another two on order. All from David Mary David Mary . Here's three of them with a Bushwacker Mistress:

MagnaCut is awesome. It's like elmax but tougher and more stainless.... and edge holding is comparable. IMO it's Elmax but better. Which doesn't make Elmax bad, it's still awesome. But if you love Elmax, why wouldn't you want elmax but with increased toughness and stain resistance?

My current personal preference for a 'knife combo' is INFI in big / hard use knives, and MagnaCut in small / sharp knives.

My thoughts on why Magnacut is worth considering, even for those whose favorite steel is INFI:

- The obvious reasons are the increased stainlessness and edge-holding. Magnacut is almost stain-proof (it is at the low end of 'saltwater steel,' close to H1 / vanax / LC200N). It's edge-holding is ballpark on par with 4V, elmax, m390, vanax, etc.

- It is the toughest of the high-edge-holding stainless steels, by a fair bit. Give Bussekin are all about toughness, this should get any Hog / Dog / Rat's attention. There are videos of makers testing magnacut - e.g. Shawn (BBB handmade knives) - doing things like cutting through steel bolts with minor damage.

- I like Magnacut in knives that I want to be SHARP. The very fine structure of the steel and high toughness mean you can get very thin edges that are still stable. I don't like to do that to INFI because at that thinness, it loses a lot of the benefits of its legendary toughness. A super thin edge in INFI will warp or roll. I think Jerry has said something in the past about INFI not being the best steel for super thin edges.

It isn't as expensive as exotic steels (e.g. vanax, LC200N) but it isn't cheap either. You can only get it currently through limited Spyderco runs or custom makers, as far as I know. But it's a new steel, so it's becoming more widely available as time goes on and, given the interest in it from large companies, I'd bet it will become pretty common in the future.

If I could only have two steels for knives, it would be INFI and Magnacut.

If Busse developed a custom heat treat and produced some thin-behind-the-edge sharp knives in Magnacut, I'd be over the moon.

Check out the thread https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/cpm-magnacut-–-the-next-breakthrough-in-knife-steel.1782546/ and Larrin's article https://knifesteelnerds.com/2021/03/25/cpm-magnacut/ for more info, including on testing.
So, this all sounds good. I guess it really comes down to (1) what is your use of the blade?; (2) what is the cost of the blade? For me, stainlessness is at the very bottom of my scale of importance.
We talk all the time about how important it is to be stainless, how do we take care of INFI so it doesn't corrode, what surface treatments we put on it, what finish is the best or worst... and I've yet to hear of stain/corrosion actually being a problem. For INFI, or even for SR101. Unless you're saltwater kayaking/boating/fishing. And I actually haven't read, that I can recall, that really being a problem. I guess I just missed it. It DOES seem to result in SR101 blades being painted a lot instead of being bare... which IS a problem, IMO. :)
It being the toughest of the high-edge-holding stainless steels has captured my interest. Looking at the data sheet for it, and the second link above, I like what I'm seeing. Very much. Not so much because stainless is important to me, but because it is apparently VERY important to the knife manufacturer(s). I grew up with 1095 pocketknives. I never had a problem with rust. Or corrosion. For the longest time as an adult, I would not buy a pocket knife with a stainless blade. Any stainless blade (with the possible exception of INFI, which I consider stainless, in spite of what I'm told) is compromising my two most important factors (edge-holding and toughness) for my least important factor (corrosion resistance).
I like the idea it can take a much thinner edge and still be stable at the edge (toughness). That's very much a step in the right direction, IMO. And I'll admit that I didn't realize that a thin edge was a problem for INFI.
I DON'T like the idea of it being more expensive than S35VN, or SR101, or S90V, because all those fulfill all my needs with less expense. If it is MORE expensive than INFI? Well... you can guess my reaction to that.

Again, all the above is said not to argue... just to discuss. If suddenly Swamp Rat comes out with a Ratmandu, or Rodent Solution, or whatever small-medium blade with a properly thin edge, in ELMAX, Magnacut, or even SR101, I will be "over the moon," as you said. Definitely. I never understood why I had to properly thin out the edge on all my RMDs with SR101. Is SR101 supposed to be unstable with a thin edge, too?

Which one is your favorite, and why, please ?
Like I said, of the ones I know of, the TG Crusader would be my favorite, because (1) It says Crusader! How cool is that?! (2) I like the shape of the guards. I mean, really, to me, it just LOOKS cool. I've never even held one, though, so I'm purely going on looks.

Of the ones I have, I actually have (and I've used all the variations of steel they come in, reasonably hard), the TGULB would be my favorite. DCBB with micarta scales. Cuts fantastic, has held its edge through all reasonable use that I described above, is light and fast, easy to carry, and very comfortable in hand.
Second favorite would be the TG-P, because it takes the TG design and turns it up to 11. Literally. One of the best and most comfortable choppers I have. The AR9.5 may be a little more comfortable, with choppability being about the same.

But the TGULB would have to be my favorite. For regular cutting, it is less unwieldy (more "wieldy"?) than the TG-P.
 
This 'holding an edge' term is very vague. Without more specifics it's difficult to really understand your point. Which specific knife in Infi are you comparing the Ratmandu in SR-101? How long have you owned/used both knives and how many times have they been resharpened? How are they being resharpened? At what point do you consider your knife to have lost an edge?

I can almost guarantee you if you consider INFI to be low in edge holding that you are happy to use knives all the way to a very low level of sharpness (as in 5-10 percent of optimal sharpness). Many people will happily do so and it's not a comment to you personally but given my own uses, I would never use a knife to such a low level of sharpness. If you are inclined to resharpen much sooner (say 50% of optimal sharpness) then most steels behave pretty comparable to get to that point.

Also worth noting, what you are cutting makes a large difference in how long until the blunting occurs. Cliff stamp went to great lengths to document all of this before he'd even begin to put together an idea of one knives performance compared to another. Multiple trial runs are needed to be certain what you are seeing is not actually some random event that's related to something you can't understand or notice.

Sharpening quality (or lack thereof) actually makes an incredible difference in edge retention and often much more so than any differences in steel can produce. There's a much greater chance IMO, that you may be in fact dealing with microscopic burrs on the edge of the INFI that are quickly collapsing in use. A properly sharpened knife edge should last quite a while whereas a poorly formed/burred apex will fail almost immediately in comparison.
My point is. D3V will stay sharp better than INFI. By sharp I mean it will cut paper.
I’m sure Magnacut will also.

FHFG Infimandu vs Dek1 D3V
The INFI will need to be sharpened more often after doing similar tasks. To cut paper.
 
Thanks ! Makes me feel good, I don't need another one then :)
I would agree.... unless it was a TGLB. I THINK the extra work under the scales of the TGLB makes it even more vibration-proof, in addition to being lightweight. Off the top of my head, I don't recall what the difference in weight of the TGLB vs. the TGULB, if anyone has even weighed them and posted. I also believe the TGLB MAY have more of a hollow grind than the TGULB. The TGULB definitely has some hollowness to its primary grind, but I think the TGLB has small radius of curvature (meaning it is more hollow, or at least that is what I'm trying to say). And I also think the TGLB may be ground higher than the TGULB. Someone on here HAS to have both than can speak with more authority on the difference between the two than I can.

My point is. D3V will stay sharp better than INFI. By sharp I mean it will cut paper.
I’m sure Magnacut will also.

FHFG Infimandu vs Dek1 D3V
The INFI will need to be sharpened more often after doing similar tasks. To cut paper.
Well, I think S!K can't do D3V worth jack, then. Because I have been thoroughly unimpressed with the D3V that I've gotten from them.
Or, probably more likely, they AREN'T actually D3V, just falsely marked that way. Considering S!K.
Yes... we were all young and stupid at one time. In the time I waited for those blades, I managed to get old ... and I guess still stupid. But definitely old(-er).
 
OK, reading through those links, I'm starting to at least understand the excitement. Perhaps I need to re-process (to borrow a thread phrase). And maybe say quantum a few times. :D

It sounds like Swamp Rat needs to do a RMD in this stuff.... but make it only about .125" thick. :eek:

Man... we have totally derailed this TGLB thread.... 😒
 
OK, reading through those links, I'm starting to at least understand the excitement. Perhaps I need to re-process (to borrow a thread phrase). And maybe say quantum a few times. :D

It sounds like Swamp Rat needs to do a RMD in this stuff.... but make it only about .125" thick. :eek:

Man... we have totally derailed this TGLB thread.... 😒



Yes exactly. A thinner Ratmandu in Magnacut would be awesome! But get rid of the worthless coating and give it either a satin or stonewash finish.
 
Holy Cow. Cliff Notes Anyone? Or do the youngsters even know what Cliff Notes are?

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All TGs are good.
TGLB or TGULB are best (heavy-handed presenting of my personal opinion).
INFI is good.
Magnacut may be good for smaller knives.
Edge-holding and toughness are paramount, corrosion resistance not so much (heavy-handed presenting of my personal opinion).
A razor-thin RMD would be epic. In any steel. But magnacut steel may be best for those who value corrosion resistance much more than I do.
We derailed the "bring back the TGLB" thread.

Edited to add: all these Cliff notes my be heavy-handed presenting of my personal opinion. Except that last one. That one is real.
 
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