hey people, whats up, i was reading a post "Liner lock...Ti vs. SS", and it reminded me to say to all of you, dont flick open your folders, liner locks or back locks. You dont know how many knives is screwed up by doing this. All my Benchmades with Titanium liners went back for repair, i wrecked and hade sever play on my Voyagers, Enduras, and one custom Emerson CQC6, damn it. Today i went to the local gun store, and my friend who worked there let me handle a new version Spyderco Military, ATS-34 full serr.-damn, wish i could of seen a cpm440v. Anyway, he let do speed openings, and combat drills(quick out-of-the-pocket openings) after about 25-35 hard slamming openings, the liner didn't move much, it moved about 1/32 of an inch more, but was far from the middle, a great sign. I tell ya people, i wish i never made that stupid post about the Military, now i love it, i bought it up front for 129.95 plus a 10% discount. Everything i said about the Military i take back, i even broke out my torx drivers and took this baby apart, all lines where perfect, clean liner, un like my benchmades with all grind marks. Sorry i took it apart, i'll never send this to Spydie Warranty. The stainless liner is quite beefy, and i know now it wont wear. I got to say, im starting to like it better than the SOCOM i got, the screws are huge, more strong, and the pivot pin on the military is huge, i have an infatuation with pivot pins, the bigger, the better. To the people out there, i now suggest a stainless steel liner, instead of titanium, titanium will not last, and a correctly made steel liner lock like the Spyderco Military is a hard to come accross item today.
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Rage,
Never did I doubt the quality of the new model Military. It is quite refreshing to hear one who was once a dissenter to recant and sing praises of a good product.
Enjoy your new "toy" and get one in 440V once you get the chance(plain edge of course).
God Bless!
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*Norse Knife Nut*
"Military" Fans Unite!!
"The only limitation is lack of imagination."
Never did I doubt the quality of the new model Military. It is quite refreshing to hear one who was once a dissenter to recant and sing praises of a good product.
Enjoy your new "toy" and get one in 440V once you get the chance(plain edge of course).
God Bless!
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*Norse Knife Nut*
"Military" Fans Unite!!
"The only limitation is lack of imagination."
I know anecdotal evidence isn't good for too much, but I want to throw this in again, nevertheless.
I've carried the same AFCK for about 2 1/2 years now, and its liner still falls in the same place as the day I bought it. I play with it constantly, do speed drills, and flick it open as I like (though I guess not too hard, because whenever I hand it to a friend who isn't as familiar with its light action they slam it open in a way that makes me wince!) I don't see the titanium wear that folks are talking about, and the steel locking pin shows where the blade hits it, but isn't peened in any noticeable way.
When I got this knife Benchmade was still pretty new to G-10, and the quality control on their G-10 folders (AFCKs and Emersons at the time) was terrible compared to the nice old aluminum-handled line. I sorted through about a dozen AFCKs to pick this one out, as was necessary to get a really good one back then. Later, I replaced its spacer with a full-length aluminum one, fileworked the liners, and replaced the G-10 with contoured micarta with metal inserts for the screws. So it's been taken apart and "tuned" extensively. But that was a while ago, and it's required little maintenance since. This knife isn't "wearing out," not by a long shot!
I'm not advocating "flicking" knives, but at least with a liner lock I wouldn't stress over it too much. A backlock/midlock is another matter, as they have a weak point where the locking bar narrows just before the bit that inserts into the tang notch. I've even seen some of the larger Spydercos (Police, Mariner) break there so that you could fold them back over your hand like a straight razor! I had once heard that Spyderco had begun telling people not to use "the drop" because if done hard it could overstress this point (though it's a long-shot at best; these are quality knives). I don't know if that was true, but I figure this is a great place to find out.
Finally, on the Miltary, I am thrilled to hear that these grew up to be such great folders. I only saw the first run before my local store closed and I became busy with other things. Hmmm, now my "carry" collection starts to look incomplete...
-Corduroy
I've carried the same AFCK for about 2 1/2 years now, and its liner still falls in the same place as the day I bought it. I play with it constantly, do speed drills, and flick it open as I like (though I guess not too hard, because whenever I hand it to a friend who isn't as familiar with its light action they slam it open in a way that makes me wince!) I don't see the titanium wear that folks are talking about, and the steel locking pin shows where the blade hits it, but isn't peened in any noticeable way.
When I got this knife Benchmade was still pretty new to G-10, and the quality control on their G-10 folders (AFCKs and Emersons at the time) was terrible compared to the nice old aluminum-handled line. I sorted through about a dozen AFCKs to pick this one out, as was necessary to get a really good one back then. Later, I replaced its spacer with a full-length aluminum one, fileworked the liners, and replaced the G-10 with contoured micarta with metal inserts for the screws. So it's been taken apart and "tuned" extensively. But that was a while ago, and it's required little maintenance since. This knife isn't "wearing out," not by a long shot!
I'm not advocating "flicking" knives, but at least with a liner lock I wouldn't stress over it too much. A backlock/midlock is another matter, as they have a weak point where the locking bar narrows just before the bit that inserts into the tang notch. I've even seen some of the larger Spydercos (Police, Mariner) break there so that you could fold them back over your hand like a straight razor! I had once heard that Spyderco had begun telling people not to use "the drop" because if done hard it could overstress this point (though it's a long-shot at best; these are quality knives). I don't know if that was true, but I figure this is a great place to find out.
Finally, on the Miltary, I am thrilled to hear that these grew up to be such great folders. I only saw the first run before my local store closed and I became busy with other things. Hmmm, now my "carry" collection starts to look incomplete...
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rage .... well put, I guess that is what I was trying to get accross in that thread is that stainless steel for a liner lock can take it better than a ti one. The Military does have a much better lock because of this.
NOW,
flicking of knives, does this apply to a Rolling Lock, too? (Will it do harm or wear the lock prematurely?)
Haven't held one yet to see!
Anyone know?
Mark
NOW,
flicking of knives, does this apply to a Rolling Lock, too? (Will it do harm or wear the lock prematurely?)
Haven't held one yet to see!
Anyone know?
Mark
Hmmm, theoretically the rolling lock should self-adjust for wear, right?
I dunno, I met a fellow working in a knife store who was busy flicking a REKaT Pioneer open over and over; said they'd challenged their distributors to break the lock. Well, according top this fellow he had already done so once with this method and was working on a second. Once isn't proof, but I remain skeptical of the rolling lock because of this (and because I just don't care for the mechanism).
That's my little story.
-Corduroy
I dunno, I met a fellow working in a knife store who was busy flicking a REKaT Pioneer open over and over; said they'd challenged their distributors to break the lock. Well, according top this fellow he had already done so once with this method and was working on a second. Once isn't proof, but I remain skeptical of the rolling lock because of this (and because I just don't care for the mechanism).
That's my little story.
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I once loaned an expensive custom folder to my hostess, so I could show her the error she was making in 'flipping.' I had previously examined her BM625, and BM612, which were nearly destroyed. The blade could not be tightened, and the stop pins were about to come out of the frame.
She flipped my knife for about 20 minutes. There is now a flat on the stop pin, and the blade won't lock up tightly. This is not a flimsy knife, and the workmanship is excellent. The maker, when I sheepishly contacted him, just laughed and said send it back and he would fix it.
Other knives I have, I have flipped on occasion, and have never run into problems. I attribute this more to luck than anything else.
Mark McWillis, while he was still at Benchmade, used to talk about flipping. I observed to him that he had an entire warehouse of knives to flip, so our situations were somewhat different.
A knife is a tool, not a toy. Walt
She flipped my knife for about 20 minutes. There is now a flat on the stop pin, and the blade won't lock up tightly. This is not a flimsy knife, and the workmanship is excellent. The maker, when I sheepishly contacted him, just laughed and said send it back and he would fix it.
Other knives I have, I have flipped on occasion, and have never run into problems. I attribute this more to luck than anything else.
Mark McWillis, while he was still at Benchmade, used to talk about flipping. I observed to him that he had an entire warehouse of knives to flip, so our situations were somewhat different.
A knife is a tool, not a toy. Walt
I just looked close at my BM Panther which I`ve been carrying and using as my work knife daily for about 2 years. I`ve been flicking it since I got it and the stop pin shows no flat spot or wear of any kind. Lockup is still very tight and the lock is still engaging properly. How hard are you guys flicking these things?
BTW I also have a CS Vaquero that I do snap opens with regularly. Tight lockup after almost a year. I believe Jim March can more than back me up on this one. Just lucky I guess. Marcus
I think what's going on here is we all have different ideas of "flicking." Sure, I think I flick my knives all the time, but as I said, when I see someone else really slam them open I'm horrified. I saw an aluminum-handled BM Leopard once where the circular depressions for the locking pin had become ovals; now that fella was flicking like I never had! Maybe there's flicking and then there's flicking.
-Corduroy
-Corduroy
Yeah, there is the "thumb assisted" light flick, and then there is the "swing your arm in a two foot radius arc at 100 mph" flick. I personally indulge in the former every now and then... some of my friends, when they ask to see me knife, seem to enjoy the latter (one is petrified now - and so am I - after it flew out of his hand once, luckily, no one was hurt).
pk
ps, oh yeah... i remember back before everyone was afraid of liner locks, it was noted by some that liner locks were neat b/c they were self-adjusting, they just move down the ramp as they stop pin or the liner wore out. huh, interesting how things change.
[This message has been edited by pk (edited 22 April 1999).]
pk
ps, oh yeah... i remember back before everyone was afraid of liner locks, it was noted by some that liner locks were neat b/c they were self-adjusting, they just move down the ramp as they stop pin or the liner wore out. huh, interesting how things change.
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Right PK!
Ive been compulsively flicking my CQC7 for the past four years, without any noticeable wear or ill effects. But, I do use the "thub assisted light flick" and not the crazy "100 MPH flick".
Ive been compulsively flicking my CQC7 for the past four years, without any noticeable wear or ill effects. But, I do use the "thub assisted light flick" and not the crazy "100 MPH flick".
hello again, my way of flicking is fast, hard and rough, i always practice pulling the knife out of my pocket and flicking it open. The only use for this is 1, if you must defend yourself against an armed assailant if he/she wants more than your wallet, 2, during my walks and jogging around town and in the parks, and if a 120lb. rottweiller beast of a dog is chasing you. Oh, and some advice, if a dog is chasing you in an open type field where there is no where to climb(cars, trees, house etc.) don't run, the dog will catch you, flick your blade open, and go for the beasts face, with one slice the dog will most likely run away, -sorry if it was to harsh for you all. Dont think im a animal killer, i love animals, i rather hurt myself before a dog, but when that thing wants to tear at your flesh, im gonna throw my witts and blade into battery. There is really no use for this flicking than from a Combat perspective, in general utility, use the thumb stud, or disk or hole, dont flick it. I have to say though, the only knives in my hole collection that did not wear at all are my two favorites, my 4 month old lg. SOCOM clip point, and my now battle proven SPY. MILITARY. Probably due to the best tolerances and stainless liners. And also, when i say flicking in a combat drill, i mean the 100-150mph wrist opening.
I mentioned in the Ti or stainless liners thread that I have only one folder I flick, a Kershaw Liner Action, but only because it's designed that way (an effortless thumb flick).
I baby my other folders in regards to opening. I open smoothly but use the stud or hole all the way. I know that metal parts wear, and hard use wears faster. I use my folders all the time and have yet to wear one out.
Jim
I baby my other folders in regards to opening. I open smoothly but use the stud or hole all the way. I know that metal parts wear, and hard use wears faster. I use my folders all the time and have yet to wear one out.
Jim