Please explain what click means? military term..

Well SI system (International system which includes metric system) has some nice features:

1km=1000m
1m = 10dm= 100cm= 1000mm etc

1 liter is one cube decimeter
1 liter of water "weights" 1 kilogramm (which also virtually apply to most everyday life liquids)
1 cube meter of water weights a ton and there are 1000 liters in a cube meter.
3 coke cans make a liter...

1 kilometer is 1000 meters, 1 meter is 10 decimeters, 1 meter is 1000 millimeters
1 kilogramm is 1000 gramms, 1 gram is 10 decigramms, 1 meter is 1000 milligramms
1 kilowhatever is 1000 whatever, 1 whatever is 10 deciwhatever, 1 whatever is 1000 milliwhatever
etc

Under usual pressure water freezes at 0°C and boils at 100°C...

Seriously there must be only the English and the US left using the imperial system. But at least people in the US drive on the right side of the road :)
 
bottom line is the US system makes little sence, metric does. the only thing that metric really sucks in is socket wrenches hehe
 
Yeah, that metric system is great....................Huh!!

After 57 years of measuring in inches, feet, yards, sq. yards, acres and miles, I am gonna run right out and buy a metric conversion manual so I can be poitically correct............ NOT!

This old target shooter and golfer will always see those distances in yards and inches.
This old farmer will see fields in acres for the rest of his life.
This old carpenter will see boards in feet and inches as long as he can still see.
He will continue to drive in miles per hour.

And so on.

I have no resentment of the metric system, folks that are familiar with it are welcome to use it.
I will stick with the antiquated English Imperial system, thank you.
 
banthony said:
After 57 years of measuring in inches, feet, yards, sq. yards, acres and miles, I am gonna run right out and buy a metric conversion manual so I can be poitically correct............ NOT!
Political correctness has absolutely nothing to do with the metric system. People don't use the metric system to appease sensitive folks like yourself...they use it because it's fast and easy to use, and allows for far more precision than any other system.

You're welcome to not use it, although you already are everyday and don't realize it. Ironically, you can't really even get on the internet to post your opinion without it.

I'll continue to use both as either suits my need at the moment. But thank goodness I've got that choice. You apparently don't.
 
THanks fer the help. I grew up with feet inches yards miles.Im gonna stick with that.... Fer the people who think this is a sad question, All I have to say it dont read it or reply to it.
 
Here in Brazil all tire pressures are marked in PSI.

I don't think I could understand ballistics in anything but feet per second and foot pounds of energy. The Brazilians relate these terms in meters per second and joules and move right along with it. When it comes to bullet diameter most Americans seem to use caliber (100ths of an inch) and mm with equal ease: .357, 9mm, .40, 10mm, .45, 5.56mm = .223 etc.)

Other oddities in South America. The sun rises in the east and sets in the west like back home but here it passes through the NORTHERN sky. Thus instinct will tell you that north and south are switched because the shadows are on the wrong side. The Big Dipper appears upside down low on the horizon if it's all exposed.

Money here is based on 100 like the dollar but you switch commas for periods as in R$ 5.000,00. Time is always given in "military" time, the movie starts at 19 hours.
It isn't just the language you have to learn. Mac
 
2dogs said:
Armac, Horned Toad, thatmguy, you people are the reason I don't enjoy this site much. A person asks a simple honest question and you turn it into an insult fest. What school teaches military lingo? You three should be ashamed of youselves. What's next, cyber dog piles? You are nothing but school yard bullies.

I do appreciate the military service that I assume you three have performed but it is time to grow up.

My comment had nothing to do with the word "click", its military connotation, or the original question.

My comment deals with the subject of our schools who turn out people who have to ask a question like "how far is that in miles", esp with the forum name that person uses.

Interesting. A bully. LMMFAO.
 
"The Military uses kilometers because they know the "English System" is so outmoded that even the English don't use it anymore:"

They use it because ideally they try not to drop bombs on their allies, though it doesn't always work out.

People always say it is "outmoded" but a) That is usually some reference to technical applications like the latent heat of transformation of water being 1 calorie for one cc for one degree Celsius, a fact I have never used not being involved in thermo dynamics, and neither probably are you. b) it's really not true for the average physical applications in the real world where many systems that developed in isolation came up with systems of measures identical to each other based on the human body and geometric factors like the circumference of the earth, even when it wasn't known.

"they use it because it's fast and easy to use, and allows for far more precision than any other system."

That' BS too because a) precision is a mater of how well you measure and to what degree, has zip to do with the system in use. and, b) (i) because the metric system has it's own failings like the average dial indicator that is sold, while exactly the same device is sold to a fraction that works out about half that of the .001", just the way it works out so taking measure in a machine situation on dials is often actually less accurate. Remember the amp in Spinal Tap that "goes to "11""? Well metric goes to "6"; b) (ii) There are metric measures like millimeters that people seem to like, but they prefer inches and feet. Yards and meters are a wash; b) (iii) Metric tapes often seem like an endlessly repeating 10cm and if you do construction you see lots of bad cuts. I'm sure it works out fine with a competent crew, but it shows it isn't slam dunk fabulous. b) (iv) You get to say a lot of trendy stuff like: "Pass me that 37mm x 89 stud".

Metrification is rarely voluntary, there is often a lot of government heavy handedness. In Japan, for instance, they have gone metric. The government would put people in jail who tried to sell the old body based measurement tools. These, as you might guess, had rather more relevance to architecture than a system based on the amount of water in a cube weighing 2.2 pounds. In fact, that understates it, the old system of measurement was highly organized around the body, geometry, and the necessary sizes of posts in local timbers etc... No amount of metric conversion was going to cut it. Finally the government relented, and carpenters are free to get on with the job of building houses, not being conformist.

My theory is that "Metric" sounds pretty cool, European, like the name of a techno band. That is a big disadvantage to be under. So I prefer to refer to the English system, now used by the Americans mostly, by it's usual name, "imperial". Seems appropriate. I now refer to "metric" only as "client state", Which is cumbersome and ridiculous, as it should be. After all, states like brazil, England, France (snicker), or Canada, only mater because they are client states of the US. While many other countries that aren't US client states also use client state measures, who cares?
 
It's interesting to me that whenever I or someone else says "the metric system works really well," there are people who immediately think we're coming to kick down their door and make them give everything up they ever learned or believed in. This ain't religion, folks.

I don't give a "fig" if you use meters, feet, or mille, or stadia or li. Just don't expect other people to cater to it after a while.

Fortunately, Protactical raises some better arguments than this: thanks.

I agree that the Imperial system isn't outmoded. I use it every day, and do so without hesitation. I also use the metric system every day.

Here's what's not BS about the metric.

It's faster. Sorry, but it is. Let's use a real world example: give me the perimeter of an L-shaped room. Add up 13'-4", 12'-8", 7'-6", 5'-10", 5'-10", 6'-10". Quick. What's the perimeter? Now add up 4, 4, 2.3, 2, 1.8, and 2 meters. Who's done first? (Somewhere, someone is reading this saying 'Yeah, but how often do you need to measure linear feet in an odd-shaped room? *I* don't.")

It's easier. Let's say we're packing for a long hike. You can carry 12 more pounds of weight. There are 16 ounces to a pound. How many 12-ounce beverages can you carry? Trick question, of course: 12-ounces of water-like fluids weigh one pound. What gallon-size container can be used to substitute 12 12-ounce beverages? Even without the metric system, Imperial users like us are constantly making conversions. You lose all that in a base 10 system. If you can multiply or divide by ten, you're done.

It's more precise. What's the next unit smaller than inch? Or larger than a mile? What's less than an ounce and more than a ton? What's bigger than a gallon? In everyday use, it doesn't matter. But when you work with very large or small quantities--such as medicine, engineering, physics, manufacturing, shipping, transportation, and on and on--then it matters a lot.

My hunch is that Protactical first learned the metric system in the 1970s, like most of us. Why? His construction example: it's dependent upon unnecssary conversions.

I've worked construction projects overseas. What they don't say: "Pass me that 37mm x 89 stud." What they do say: "I need a 50x100." And, ironically, that's just as accurate as calling a 2x4 a 2x4. Doorways are 1m wide. Studs are placed 400mm apart. Ceiling tiles are 600mm x 600mm. Nice round numbers. Easy to use.

The faulty logic with this example is that metric users don't start with an imperial measurement and then convert it. They start and stop with the metric version.

Like Pict said: if you have a 9mm handgun, you don't go to the store and say "I need a box of 0.3543296-inchers...by which I mean 9mm." You simply ask for 9mm rounds. Americans have no problem with this. They have no problem with kilowatts, gigabytes, megahertz, or any of the other thousands of daily-use metric units that Americans like me happily use without thinking twice.

But thinking twice is basically what the Dept of Weights and Measures tried to do to American school kids, circa 1976-1978. Taught it all backward and screwed it up. And I think that's the second faulty line of thinking: this isn't the government taking away liberties (and actually, this is how they definitely came off looking in the late '70s).

This is driven by business needs. The demands of science and technology, which I know some of us fear, but be glad when your pharmacist knows the difference between 35mg and 350mg of something.
 
Good post, Watchful.
I lived most of my life in Europe, and indeed, if you are using the SI all the time, it's as "natural" (I mean: as convenient), as one can imagine.

The SI I grew up is so much my second nature, that I still prefer it for measuring lenghths, volumes, weighths and temperatures.
I am still have to convert to C to understand the difference between 50 F and 60 F, but I immediately know the difference between 12 C and 18 C.
12 C means a jacket for me and 18 C means no need for jacket.

If I have grown up in the US it would be probably the other way around.
 
I find converting from F to C is pretty much second nature, but I have a much better feel for F when stepping outside and guessing the temps.

When I see a temp in C, I know what that means quite precisely.

When I give a temperature to a non-American, I can easily spit out the C value.

But when the wind blows on a sunny day, and the temperature seems to shift because of it... I think in F.

I know some people like F because it gives a little more non-decimal precision: 78 and 79 F can both be given as 23 C. But since the human body can't really tell the difference between 5 degrees F +/-, this day-to-day precision difference doesn't matter much.

And last, since the F scale is measured in scalar degrees, there's no internal conversion like with other Imperial measures: there's no "15 degrees is equal to one wick, and there are 5 wicks in a flame." Therefore, F and C can work substantially well in either situation. It's only when you're getting into caloric-type calculations that it's important to line up your temperature scale with your other units.

Kelvin is a whole 'nuther discussion entirely....
 
And one metric thing I *cannot* do for the life of me is switch from "miles per gallon" to "km/l".

I can only work with a km/l value relative to another km/l value. But ask me which is better: 12 mpg or 12 km/l, and I get sleepy.
 
The biggest barrier to metrification has been the massive amount of precision machine tooling in use in the USA. When your lathe is geared to cut 40 threads per inch it is nontrivial to switch to cutting metric threads. The USA went through massive industrialization using English units. Early on the US firearms and railroad industries developed standards for interchangeable parts. The French at the same time were making equipment that required individual part fitting. It was easier for other countries to switch measurement systems.
 
Political correctness has absolutely nothing to do with the metric system. People don't use the metric system to appease sensitive folks like yourself...

I find this comment very interesting.

Folks like myself......... hmmmm.... what type of folks would that be exactly?

Would that be someone that has used the American\English Imperial measurement system his whole life and is not interested in changing to a different system?

Would that be someone that stated in his post that he had nothing against the metric system or people who had made the decsion to use it?

Would that be someone that doesn't really think that the biggest advantage of the metric system; its readiness to be divided, mulitiplied, added or subtracted by 10 is a convincing argument for using it?

Would that be someone that when he checked last had the choice of either using it or not using it and decided not to?

Or.............. would that be someone that thinks your eagerness to attack me personally for not having the same opinion as you in regard to how our brains or tools convert measurements is out of line?

Personally, I think you are a tad bit oversold on both the metric system and yourself.
 
This is an interesting thread. I'm another one of those people who grew up with the imperial system and therefore can estimate in that but not in the metric system. That said, I wish I was an instinctive metric user; I do believe it's much easier to work with than is the imperial system, at least from the math point of view.

At least I've finally gotten a "feel" for what a liter is. My nalgene water bottle is a liter in size, so now I "get it." :)

If you happen to use Mac OS X as your computing platform, and you are using 10.4, then you have access to dashboard widgets. One of my favorite such widgets is a unit converter. I'm constantly using it because the web is international in nature. "Wait a minute, they said its 21 C in England today, what's that in Farenheit?" It's constant. Fluid ounces to liters, meters to feet, kilometers to miles, inches to centimers ... I no longer think I can live without that widget.

That said, arguing over which system is better is pointless and bound to lead to hurt feelings. Frankly, people "imprint" on one system or another, and that's the end of it. If we wanted to switch the US to metric (and once upon a time they said they were going to do that), they'll just have to cut over and expect that the country will be generally confused for about 20 - 50 years. Which is why it'll never happen. *grin*

Now... as an aside, and hoping that I don't hijack this thread, what I DO wish we'd (the US) would do is go to the 24 hour clock. I REALLY hate it when people tell me to meet them at 12 am because I can never remember if that's noon or midnight. Since I deal with people world-wide, I could just as easily have to meet with someone online at either midnight or noon. Everyone should just go to the 24 hour clock instead. I INSIST! :)
 
Both the English and the metric system work fine, what makes you prefer one over the other is familiarity and it has to do with what you learned first. Just like language, what you learn first seems logical and straightforward and something new seems strange and it may take a lot of studying to fully understand it.

Personally I feel comfortable with either system, I also feel comfortable speaking either English or Spanish.

Luis

P.S.
...Everyone should just go to the 24 hour clock...
He he, I like the idea, it would be nice if everyone used Zulu time too.
 
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