Please help to protect nature!

Huh? Old forest used to be young forest...

By 'protect' do you mean preserve from change?

How can you do that?

If you could, how do you decide what needs to be preserved, and what needs to change?
 
Alberta Ed,

I'm pretty sure he means, Keep it from being cut down by humans. You are correct, it would be impossable to keep a forest from changing but we can try to keep greedy people from cutting them all down to build shopping malls and Wallmarts.

Hey all,

Just to let you know, if you clear your web cash/cookies in your browser after each time you can click as much as you like. I clicked twice...

Ric
 
Alberta Ed said:
Huh? Old forest used to be young forest...

By 'protect' do you mean preserve from change?

How can you do that?

If you could, how do you decide what needs to be preserved, and what needs to change?
Click to expand...
It's not me who decided anything. :rolleyes: If you used your eyes and read a bit about it maybe that could solve your questions. :rolleyes:

Link: http://www.ettklickforskogen.se/engelska/ettKlickeng.asp

Thanks for the tip Ric. :D
 
alberta it says "preserve from deforestation"

you can preserve a forest it is a un-edning cycle, when not fooled around with by us. not to start an argument but i find that to be a very narrow minded statment.
 
You are correct, it would be impossable to keep a forest from changing but we can try to keep greedy people from cutting them all down to build shopping malls and Wallmarts.
Click to expand...

Any areas these places will be built isn't where the older forests are at...

I would ask a very basic and simple question, I know a few of you think that utilizing a renewable resource and making a profit is worse than evil,

1. What is one of the main ingredients in soft plastics???

2. What does it take to make aluminum as thin as it is in most products???

3. How many of these products do you use every day???

I will state this very plainly:

It is kind of hypocritical to bash those natural resources that are utilized by yourselves, and those "Greedy" business people that garner the products that are woven into your every day lives to the point non here can say they don't use them.

I see it that if you are going to bash those individuals or companies who put these products into your houses. You need to stop utilizing "Every thing" that they produce, or your whines and complaints are as empty as that area between the moon and Mars...

If the argument is that we need to preserve every thing, then it is also the opposing view that those wanting to shut any utilization of the natural products harvested from Mother Earth need to start with themselves and show that they really mean it, not just spout heart felt empty drivel.

I'm not getting down on any one here; I just want them to understand that I have seen huge volumes of people speaking with their hearts and not with their heads, accomplishing nothing in the end but warm fuzzy nothings.

It is so very easy to parrot what one sees in the news media and go along with the rot, it is another to educate yourself as much as you can on the subject before making grandiose statements that feel good but are worthless and no use to any one but themselves and those who blindly follow the lies...
 
Elkchsr,

Well I agree with you here. We DO have to change our lifestyles.

I clicked, nevertheless ;)

I can't honestly say I don't buy anything, and even if I didn't, I'd still have an impact on nature, just by -- for example -- hunting and gathering. But I DO try and lessen my impact on nature in many ways :

- I drive a small car, as little as possible and slowly. For example when I go to town I bring along the neighbors, so we save a car ride, etc.
- I buy organic food, with as little packaging as possible.
- I'm not buying all the stupid crap the ads tell me about...
- I grow my veggies, and compost all I can...
- I've got solar panels on the roof (not 100% clean but still much better than nuclear powered watts...)
- I do use tupperwares and steel and aluminum, but nothing disposable...
- etc.

It's not perfect, but it's a start. And I think that when most customers will choose organic stuff, and prefer less packaging and more ethically-produced goods, the companies will adapt in order to preserve their share of the market. In that way, we DO have some power over those things, collectively.

Just my humble two cents...

Cheers,

David
 
that is great moine i am glad you are taking it to that extreme to keep the world we live on the way it should be. to bad there are not many of people like you out there. they would rather drive a excursion and go hunt bears(bears are one of the only natural predators to dear, which are growing like wild fire) and the wonderfull world of corporate america not spending a nickel to protect our environment. i love the clean air act also, more mercury!

i clicked again.
 
over the last few days, I had 80 members of my school staff click from thier office computers. And they've promised to click everyday.

I've watched to many forests in NY go from thousands of acres to only a few acres spread over a large area. It's kinda sad seeing housing developments being built on the woods you grew up in. :mad:
 
Why "click" for a forrest that I will not see? Why bother? After all one
poster did indeed point out that many products come from the things
that will be produced out of that forrest?

That being said I did "click" anyway even though I think it will come to
nothing for the simple fact being that eventually that forrest will be logged
but not as easily as it would be if someone hadn't pointed the problem out.


Lotsa luck Wildmark.
 
Yes... I would suppose I am that one poster... ;)

Just a little history from my stand point...

This is a topic that can touch a nerve in pretty much any one.

I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, have logged over a quarter million board feet myself, taken out over a quarter million trees, and didn't even make a dent in the tree population in that area, not even close.

While it is good to "Save the environment" or the world for that matter.

This is a very renewable resource, plus if it is that big of a problem, there are many millions of acres that are up for sale that could be bought up and put into full protection thru private property rights...

Doing all the "clicking" is a great way to get a point across to people that may see it, it is far better to act in a higher level by getting up and doing what it takes with your own time and energy and not depending on others to do it for you...

This country has millions of acres tied up in areas that can't be touched by the all evil chain saw.

I would like to point out another thing about this country that has made it very strong...

It is the utilization of its natural resources...

Look at any "poor" third world country, they are that way because they have either squandered their natural resources, or more than likely, they just plain don't have any...

For those who don't like the fact that the population is growing, I can't help you with that at all, you will either have to learn to live with it, or live with a lump in your craw, no amount of clicking or any thing else will prevent the population to change...

What I would recomend is that you do as I did, get away from the high populated areas and move into a far more rural setting, if you dare that is.

This is the only way your going to have a piece of mind and live with yourselves in this ever growing world.

There are still places on this planet that house extremely low populations of people. That is where I would really recomend you move to get away from it all...

It is just plain silly to live in the middle of a huge populas and complain about it at the same time...

I understand fully that is the way of human nature, but the truth is the truth and hiding behind a heart felt lie doesn't do any one any good, especially yourselves.. ;)

:)
 
see what we need to do is get off of our buts and find that one hospitable planet out there somewere.

that takes cooperation of many countries, and the downside of that is it isnt going to happen.

we are not going to be able to stay here much longer. so we should start now and not need to scramble for time.

most likely some of you will think the above it s bunch of BS but it very true.
-population problem solved
 
OK...

Out of all the people on the board, there is one man enough to do what it takes to the best of his ability, he has stated such, plus he has also stated his weakness which is commendable...

Not being condescending, but it’s easy to talk and spout heart felt emotions which in reality don't amount to squat but give an individual an empty sense of self gratification.

I would ask the questions again, but you guys can go above and re-read them.

Here is another one, who here is willing to actually stand up and be counted for what they believe in, instead of filling these web sites full of useless posts, to do what it takes and make the changes in their every day lives to accomplish these lofty goals they are setting in for every one else...

It’s so easy to live in Never-Never land and brainwash our young who have no understanding of the real world into believing silly lies or half truths, that is some of the failings all around us today, this very way of thinking.

One thing that I will note here, I have never condoned clear cutting the planet, nor have I mentioned any thing about open strip mining the world (I do joke about it though because it brings the hackles up on some people so easily)

There is a happy medium that needs to be met, reality must be looked at and hiding behind emotional outbursts will help nothing.

What I am asking here is that each of you who "feel" for what ever it is you feel for, look at yourselves and that which you preach, and see if there is any base reality to it, or if what you ask for or wish to happen is more in the realms of impossible.

I like to see actual answers from others and would love nothing more than to see others opinions on these topics, well defined and not full of holes.

I have a deeper sense of the wilds of our lands, more than most, I really like to see inroads be met within the guide lines of helping the planet, but there has to be intelligence utilized when doing it, not jumping on some band wagon of well meaning people who really don't understand what they are doing.

The individuals running the drums the hardest for these subjects are those who have the most to gain $$$... Simple as that, they work on the masses emotions not their brains to help them get rich.

I would like to see each and every one of you educated in the inner workings of nature, the topics we all care about, and that which is all around us, not go off on half baked rants that are empty and have no understanding of real world workings.

You will never win the way you are going, in the end you can only lose...

I will give you a hint on who will win in the end and why I know...

It is the populace when reality is set in front of them to see that will over ride even the majority...

Just a little side question...

Can any one answer why it is that the fires of today are getting bigger and bigger every year???

Costing more, destroying more???

The answers are all in this post if you only know how to find them… :)

Those that know the truth of this also know the truth in what I say...

Russ... :)
 
well you seem like a person very well-versed in what you are speaking of, something i cannot entirely say for myslef. i just have one question: do you really think anything of REAL importance can be completed with $$$ thrown in the mix?

deforestation, environmental protection, preservation of wildlife, air pollution, resources.
 
LOL Chazz...

I don't think it can be any other way.. :)

Would you go volunteer your life for free to fix these issues???

I didn't say time, I said life, with out any expectations of recompense???

It costs to do most any thing here, including play on these internets... Even if your at the library, or school, it costs some one $$$ for you to have this luxury...

I would ask you Chazz... What is it your willing to give up to help the cause???

Honest and realistic questions and they must be answered to move on with any meaningful dialog... :)
 
i think you took my post in a different way then i intended it to be.

lets throw something relevent to the time in. some giant oil company is putting pollutants into the air, there are things that can reduce the amount of pullutants in the air. but that would make the company spend money, so they dont do it. ya know what they do, they go to washington and lobby. so they dont need to spend any more money, and the air is gettin worse and worse.

i ment people with BIG money, the corporations involved in things like this.
 
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