please show this !

Dude, your English is fine - I think I understand it pretty well. I’m having a harder time understanding your idea that you (or we, or anybody else) can control the actions of others, to any meaningful extent.

You don’t have to ask Chinese permission to make a knife, even one that is their cultural icon, or choose the materials, or sell it at a particular price point. Flip side of that is, they don’t need your permission either. You and they are independent entities.

There are a lot of independent entities out there making knives, some similar, some quite diverse. But except for a very few (contractual) cases, nobody is asking permission from anyone to make what they make.

This is a good thing for all of us. I can’t imagine any system of knife making “command and control” that would produce a better result overall.

I have “invented” my own knife shape which works quite well for a particular purpose. I use it myself, and have built a few for family and friends. But if it’s very good, it won’t remain “mine” for long, once I send it out into the world. Others will pay me the most sincere form of flattery by copying it, perhaps marketing it, and someday almost everybody who wants one will have one.

I’ll smirk in my rocking chair, “Y’know sonny, I made the first one back in ‘09, and been cutting stuff with it ever since.” And the young dude will roll his eyes and say, “Sure wish I coulda been there to see it, old timer.” But some time after that, I’ll be gone, and my blade shape will still be here. Just like the “inventors” of the douk douk, the Bowie, the stiletto and the 3 blade stockman.

It doesn’t make sense for me to run around trying to keep others from making “my” knife. That effort is better spent elsewhere.

I fear you are losing opportunities to improve and refine your knowledge and experience of knives by pursuing this “stolen design” idea. If I were you, I’d put it behind you and look forward. BF has so much to offer from people who share it freely, and you don’t want to miss that.

The choice is yours.

Parker
 
its a really a old pattern ok, but change only one or line on the drawing is not difficult , or just say "inspired by" , even the Laguiole, Opinel, which are also really old, we don't just do anything, there can be models that look like it (and the cutlers, change lines when the knives they make look like the neighbors. .) with behavior like that, we finished offering our markets to the Chinese ... great! (sorry for my english guys )
If it helps, the choil area looks like it's bigger. Do you work for the other company?
 
its a really a old pattern ok, but change only one or line on the drawing is not difficult , or just say "inspired by" , even the Laguiole, Opinel, which are also really old, we don't just do anything, there can be models that look like it (and the cutlers, change lines when the knives they make look like the neighbors. .) with behavior like that, we finished offering our markets to the Chinese ... great! (sorry for
If it helps, the choil area looks like it's bigger. Do you work for the other company?
I'm not just trying to share information, but my English is not good enough, to really debate, I just wanted to inform heinnie's customers, that they make the choice they want but really informed (they are English speaking mostly I think), personally I am not an absolute fan of intellectual property, and in our time, we can no longer just go knock on the door, settle disputes loudly, but I am not the only one to have noticed the deception, it's starting to feel the bad buzz (imagine case creates a pattern that looks a lot like pena or eser, but doesn't signal it, would you find that legitimate? I read this forum regularly, it was an opportunity to subscribe, even if I read English very badly, but I had read much more heated debates, for much less than that!
 
I had read much more heated debates, for much less than that!
That right there is a cold, hard fact. Our conversational interactions are far from perfect. Some of us are old and cranky. Some of us hold strong opinions about certain subjects. Some of us have other things we should be doing, but are doing this instead, and know we’re gonna pay for it later.

All that said, there are also moments where a member shows remarkable restraint.

Parker
 
its a really a old pattern ok, but change only one or line on the drawing is not difficult , or just say "inspired by" , even the Laguiole, Opinel, which are also really old, we don't just do anything, there can be models that look like it (and the cutlers, change lines when the knives they make look like the neighbors. .) with behavior like that, we finished offering our markets to the Chinese ... great! (sorry for

I'm not just trying to share information, but my English is not good enough, to really debate, I just wanted to inform heinnie's customers, that they make the choice they want but really informed (they are English speaking mostly I think), personally I am not an absolute fan of intellectual property, and in our time, we can no longer just go knock on the door, settle disputes loudly, but I am not the only one to have noticed the deception, it's starting to feel the bad buzz (imagine case creates a pattern that looks a lot like pena or eser, but doesn't signal it, would you find that legitimate? I read this forum regularly, it was an opportunity to subscribe, even if I read English very badly, but I had read much more heated debates, for much less than that!
But case isn't creating a pattern based on a new knife, but they do make patterns that are over 50 years old, that other companies have also made. Same with the douk douk. It's not a new pattern that's associated with one company or maker.
 
But case isn't creating a pattern based on a new knife, but they do make patterns that are over 50 years old, that other companies have also made. Same with the douk douk. It's not a new pattern that's associated with one company or maker.
quickly, a last coin, in the machine ...
obviously your culture is limited in this subject ...

in europe the douk is absolutely associated with the cognet house
from the beginning

here it is about a "modern" knife !!! douks mixed with "global" inspirations, but the design is specific to Maison Cognet

Opinel is an old model, and yet the design belongs to Opinel ...

in short, my hope was just to inform, what I think is largely done

now I'm going to go back to my classic topic reading, and go back in the shadows ... (but I realize that I really didn't choose my thread title)

best regards, guys! (I regret not knowing enough English to be more relevant)
 
I can't fault you for having such passion and obvious knowledge. Perhaps what you say is valid.
I do think those in disagreement have valid points as well.

Yours truly..fence sitter
 
At one time, almost every knife company made a copy of the Buck 110 that people called "Buck" knives. I don't remember anyone getting their knickers in a knot, perhaps because there weren't any %$!#ing internet forums. Knives have been around since before steel was developed. Surely, every conceivable knife design has been duplicated.
 
At one time, almost every knife company made a copy of the Buck 110 that people called "Buck" knives. I don't remember anyone getting their knickers in a knot, perhaps because there weren't any %$!#ing internet forums. Knives have been around since before steel was developed. Surely, every conceivable knife design has been duplicated.

I agree the 110 was certainly the most copied knife in the world !! in France we were inundated with Pakistani knives copying the buck, but it was rather frowned upon, for enthusiasts, of owning one (I still have one in 1 drawer lying around ...) the laguiole too has been copied enormously by the Pakistanis, but in the world of the collectors it is very frowned upon in France the Chinese or Pakistani Laguiole
 
I agree the 110 was certainly the most copied knife in the world !! in France we were inundated with Pakistani knives copying the buck, but it was rather frowned upon, for enthusiasts, of owning one (I still have one in 1 drawer lying around ...) the laguiole too has been copied enormously by the Pakistanis, but in the world of the collectors it is very frowned upon in France the Chinese or Pakistani Laguiole
There were also quality knife manufactures that made lockbacks in the fashion of the 110, like Schrade, Böker and Puma, to name a few.

I've enjoyed Laguioles for some time and considered buying one, but I don't know enough about them to be sure of what I'm getting. Then there's the fact that I can't pronounce it with my Yankee tongue.
 
its a really a old pattern ok, but change only one or line on the drawing is not difficult , or just say "inspired by" , even the Laguiole, Opinel, which are also really old, we don't just do anything, there can be models that look like it (and the cutlers, change lines when the knives they make look like the neighbors.
Hey DiZ!

I understand you and agree.

The two HH knives pictured are to me CLEARLY “inspired” by the Douks.

I wouldn’t call the design “stolen”, but I’m sad the knife maker didn’t have enough class to point to her inspiration as she should have, so I won’t buy from her in the future. (Same reason I don’t watch Amy Shumer stand-up any more.)

I don’t think it’s criminal, and if others think it’s fine I won’t try to shame them, but if you design knives, well I think you should DESIGN knives. Those aren’t original designs in the least imho.

Thanks for the heads-up.
 
I'm not sure many of us here were familiar with Heinnie Haynes prior to reading this post

Well established UK knife and other outdoor equipment seller.
Great reputation, they get manufacturers like Boker to make the occasional special edition s for them.
I get Probably half my knives from them.

It’s not my sort of knife, but if it was, I’d happily buy it.
 
While certainly appears heavily "inspired by" douk douk design, it also echoes what has already been mentioned, copying is a huge form of flattery...

Pair that with the fact that the HH specs appear much smaller then the similarly styled Douks, and add to that the double pin + seperate pivot design, (whereas the douks use the pivot as one of the 2 pins), and add to that different blade shapes (all with choil, 1 even adds a scissors), a reversible pocket clip and lanyard hole, while completely eliminating the fold-over wire locking mechanism of the douks, I personally would not view this as a douk douk clone or rip off, but rather if anything, I see it as a tribute piece to their long standing handle design.
Only thing I would say is that as an exclusive anniversary piece, it would have been nice to see them use higher end material, and even a European manufacturer, (being a British brand). Even using Real Steel, they could have opted for a better steel like 14c28n, but at least even going the made in China route to cut cost, at least they used one of the more reputable Chinese brands, and just some willy nilly cookie cutter house.
 
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Hey back to these knives. Who did they pay to use that art on the handles?
 
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