Please tell me why!.....Please read!

keninshiro

keninshiro

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After reading PHIL's tread, something came to my mind. Does senior status matters? To me it doesn't! After having almost 400 post, i feel that i'm still an out-cast by some. Why? I don't know. Does having a hotmail account makes you feel uneasy? Or is there something else? Mike, maybe you can tell me.

To me, I have no choice! I don't have a computer = no proper URL. I understand that trusting someone half way across the globe with hotmail account is like buying a lottery ticket, you'll never know. But after displaying much enthusiasm, i'm still behind bars. My tread with the most replies doesn't even pass 30!

It gets worst in the trade and sell forum. One thing's for sure is that i'm not about to joeapardise(don't think i got the spelling right but you know what i mean...) my reputation for a few hundred dollars!

I love knives and i plan to stick around for quite some time, so please! Take me for real!

If this tread offends anyone, my apologies. I don't mean to, It's just that i'm sick of being behind the curtains. And before i sign off, I like to take the opportunity to thank those who gives two hoots, you know who you are.

Thanks all for reading.
 
HOOT, HOOT, Keninshiro!

I like your posts. Long threads just happen. I've seen from Really long threads starting by some really BAD posts. And just the opposite. I've seen some long threads stopped cold by a Great post that sort of stops the question. Flaming threads happen not only because of the topic, but the responses. Some folks start a lot of threads.Some (like me) like to hang out in the background and speak up only when inspired for some reason.

We are ALL behind the scenes. Sometimes we get email about our posts, sometimes not. I don't think your hotmail account has anything to do with anything. I can't really say anything about your experiences in the trading forums. I just don't know anything about that.

Keep posting. I'm sure you have plenty of faithful readers.

I assume Everybody here is Real except for Kysa and a few others who seem to have lost their minds.

Paracelsus, compulsive reader of both good and bad threads and posts
 
Keninshiro; I am unaware of any unsavory reputation connected with you. Is there something in particular that has made you feel this way?

Regarding your hotmail account; this doesn't matter in the least to me. What bugs me is when people don't list their e-mail at all, and when I want to contact them privately, am unable to do so.

I hope that this reassures you of your good standing in the forum. Walt
 
The measure of a thread's merit is not how many replies it gets.

I rarely look at member's e-mail addresses.

I must say, though, that having a hotmail address is sort of like living in a bad neighborhood. About one in five spam e-mails I receive involves hotmail. Those people have not done a good job of enforcing reasonable conduct on their users and the reputation they've got (which rubs off on even their honest users) is a bed they've made for themselves. As the old saying goes, "You can judge a man by the company he keeps." Don't bother trying to send me e-mail. Anything from anyone @hotmail.com is deleted before I even see it.

Personally, I tend to look more at how long a poster has been a member.

In general, I suspect that folks outside the US may feel a bit like "outsiders" here since the vast majority of us are Americans. There are so many American cultural references here and so many posts that simply irrelevent to our foreign friends, that it must really seem like you're an outsider looking in. We all here on bladeforums.com need to be more aware of the many non-US members among us. I find that our foreign friends bring unique perspectives to our discussions and I'd like to encourage them all to continue and to be more active.

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Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing! http://www.4cs.net/~gollnick


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After having almost 400 post, i feel that i'm still an out-cast by some. Why? I don't know. Does having a hotmail account makes you feel uneasy? Or is there something else? Mike, maybe you can tell me.
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keninshiro,

Your expectations may be a little high. The people here are friendly but essentially cyberspace is an anonymous world. And I don't mind that one bit. You shouldn't treat BF as some kind of popularity contest. What's the point?

If many people don't share my specific interests, I just take it with a grain of salt. There are many diverse interests here. I've started many threads that have gone nowhere but such is life. Enjoy what you CAN get out of this forum but don't get discouraged just because your topics don't always become burning issues. I often find it enlightening what subjects DON'T attract others.

Some people that post here are clearly more popular than others but so what? I'd hate to see this forum degrade into some kind of pecking order that is based on popularity or 'charismatic' posts. So far it hasn't and I don't anticipate that it will. Mike and Spark and the moderators have been impressive in their ability to make everyone feel they are welcome--within the rules--to say what they want. Appreciate that and enjoy the ride while BF lasts.
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Hoodoo

No, I do not weep at the world--I am too busy sharpening my oyster knife.
Zora Neale Hurston

Oversharpen the blade, and the edge will soon blunt.
Lao Tsu
 
It's hard to tell what people think of you on the net -- unless they think you're a dork. "Me too" and "that was great" posts are generally regarded as a waste of bandwidth. If you don't get many replies that's more likely to be because nobody has any disagreement to express than because nobody is paying any attention to you.

When I first came onto another forum I posted daily for a long time without getting a single reply that I can recall. I figured that was probably because nobody disagreed with me but I wasn't sure of that ... everybody has moments of insecurity and there were times when I wondered if the whole group regarded me as a dork not worth paying any attention to. Finally, after months of posting with very few replies, I started seeing people quoting me as an authority. But even now I seldom see replies to my posts on that forum. I get replies to my posts on the knife forums frequently, but that's because I have strong opinions on controversial issues re knives and plunge right into every controversy that comes along -- my views on the topic of that other forum aren't usually as controversial.

That's one reason why some people troll for flames -- it's the only way they can get enough replies to their posts to feel like people are noticing them.

A hotmail address could make a difference on the trading forums -- if you give your voice phone number and/or snailmail address, though, then people will be less liable to be suspicious.



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This post is not merely the author's opinions; it is the trrrrrruth. This post is intended to cause dissension and unrest and upset people, and ultimately drive them mad. Please do not misinterpret my intentions in posting this.
 
Some interesting thoughts here. As a relative newcomer and only a 'minimal' poster I nonetheless have felt nothing but welcome. I have 'met' and dealt with more than a few bf members, all great folks. I think that for many of us knives are a love and passion, possibly building a sense of comraderie. As far as hotmail accts. go if we're talking about web based accounts I have no problem with them....and use several myself. I use email.com and several others as do the rest of my family. They may leave a lot to be desired but I use them for a bit of convenience since I may post from one of several computers. I use the webmail mainly for capturing incoming mail from select sources. Certainly no netwizard on this end but it works for me. I've had no problem doing 'deals' using this address, never thought much about it till this post though. The physical distance of another far continent could well slow down commerce though, which I can understand, but certainly no personal reflection. I find it interesting that though far apart we can have much the same experiences, knives are pretty universal in appeal.

 
Keninshiro, I was sort of having similar thoughts myself for a while! I'd post a question or a point of view on a thread, and nobody would seem to even notice it was there, instead answering the one directly above mine.

Eventually, I got a few answers and responses, and I felt a lot better and haven't given it a second thought since.

About the Hotmail account, I hide my regular email account for fear of getting listed on a spambot. I get NO spam whatsoever on my main account, and I intend to keep it that way! As an afterthought, I decided to list a Hotmail account of mine in my signature in case someone wants to contact me. Obviously, I have no bias against Hotmail.

Keep posting, and enjoy! This is a great forum.

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-Gregory Zolas
tinsta@hotmail.com
 
Hi Folks!
Thank you all replying. Paracelsus and some of you guys hit it right on the nail! Yes, i felt outcast because of the low responses. I'm know i'm not competing in a popularity contest but.....being out here far away is lonely when you're THE only one interested in knives in the whole damn country! I seek acceptence in this foreign cyber space cause i'm alien here in my very own country! Forced to conform to sociaty is bad enough......i don't want to feel rejected, that's all. After reading just 7 replies, i think it's enough to make me see the light already, thanks!

My apologies for all the trouble!
 
For those interested in avoiding Spam, be assured that you can use your regular e-mail address on the forum. There is no automated way to cull e-mail addresses from a forum since you have separately examine each user's profile. This is in sharp (knife content) contrast to usenet news where automated programs can easily cull the e-mail addresses of all posters.

The best solution to spam that I've found (other than simply not giving your e-mail address to anyone) is http://www.spamcop.com



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.4cs.net/~gollnick
 
Keninshiro,

Don't worry, you're not alone in that. Seems like here in my country, there are only two of us (the other one being Titan, who no longer posts) who's interested in knives. Ugh...

But don't feel about being an outcast. You know what? Since I've been here at BFC, I've never met a nicer bunch of people on the net. I've been a sysop of a local BBS for over 10 years now, and BFC gave me a different feeling when it comes to being welcomed.
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Heck, these people are even nicer than some of the locals I know! They are really a great bunch. So, just enjoy the forum.
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Dan
 
Hey,

I am the only one from Czech Rep. here and it does not bother me at all. My threads are not long either but I always learn what I need to learn. Sometimes even one reply is enough. Also nobody treated me bad because I was from different country.

I had also very positive experience on For sale forum. People "made business" with me even when it required long waiting time for checks to arrive. Some did not even waited for my check and sent the knives before.

And about the hotmail account. I used it before I got my company e-mail and I still use several free e-mail accounts. Hotmail was first and thanks to it I learned about e-mail in general. At that time I did not know anything about spam, I did not know that having Hotmail account was something bad. If I did not have the company e-mail I would be still using my Hotmail - I guess I would have to open a diffrent free account just for BF, but what would happen if another free-mail was banned??? But I think that opening other free-mail account is small price to pay for being here, don´t you think so?

David



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You're not the only knife knut in Malaysia! There's at least one more -- Mohd is very active in the HI forum.

-Cougar :{)


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-Cougar Allen :{)
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This post is not merely the author's opinions; it is the trrrrrruth. This post is intended to cause dissension and unrest and upset people, and ultimately drive them mad. Please do not misinterpret my intentions in posting this.
 
Hi Cougar! Thanks for checking out if there's any other "MALAYSIAN" around.

The reason why i said i'm THE only one is because the rest is sheeple. No....please don't get me wrong Mohd if you are reading this. The reason for calling them sheeple is because they try very hard to hide the fact that they like an edged weapon/tool but don't have the guts to let anyone else know. They are afraid what other people might think of them! THIS is what i mean by conform to sociaty. The only way to blend in IS to BE THEM! I don't carry a 7" blade around but if you are seen with a SAK, they'll start to freak! I'm SURE Mohd knows what i'm talking about. The ONLY "Malaysian" that i acknowledge is Liong or better known as "AncientSul".

If there's any "Malaysian" lurkers reading this, i dare you to contact me and stand for what you believe in! Come on Mohd! I'm sure you've seen my profile since it's automatically listed on the side panel! There's a post once brought up by a forumite asking where do everyone come from........ I didn't see you! I swear i looked through the thread over and over again hoping to find Malaysians but alas! No luck. So i urge any "Malaysian" who is reading this, please contact me! I've come to noticed the "Blade" magazine is often sold out fast in Tower records, so i know you are out there! Thank you!

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Cougar allen - is the name remulak real? or is it the name of the planet of the cone heads...
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Funny thing about communicating on the net. It all comes down to level of expectation. Some of us are not sure what to expect. That was my problem for a long while (I too even wondered about the long threads vs. popularity). Then it dawned on me that the reason I came to the forums was to learn more about my passion--KNIVES! So, I would lurk and listen. When I asked a question, I was sometimes advised to use "search"--I did, and it opened up a whole new world. Now I don't count my postings for numeric quality, I prefer now to extract information I am seeking and hope to insert my thoughts on a subject when deemed. A great place to be! I don't worry about the hotmail addresses. I am more concerned about the integrity of the respondent (as I am sure they are about me). That's my two cents worth.

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Lead,follow, or get the hell out of the way!
 
Man.. If thread length or posts has to do
with popularity I must be buried in the dung
pile. I can see that on any forum or any
get together that there are clicks, but they
don't pay my bills and until they do I don't
think I'll loose any sleep over it
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I jes love dem faces.

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Don't walk in tradition just because it feels good!!!!!
Romans 10:9,10
Hebrews 4:12-16
Psalm 91

 
keninshiro, I've been watching this thread for a couple of days, and I hope your feeling better. My first though is how universal and honest your request for recognition was. We all want to be accepted, and sometimes noticed, but nobody likes to be ignored or feel like we don't exist. Or worst yet rejected or exiled from the herd...alone. I hope you realize now that you're not.
You mentioned my name in your opening, and I have to tell you my naive request for reform in how Seniors were determine, had results that were not expected. It affected a lot of people. I was surprised and upset when hundreds of Seniors were wiped out from something I started. At first I thouht "Uh oh!" I'm going to be on a lot of peoples Chit List, and I probably am. Nobody has directly confronted me or attacked me, but I have noticed that some responses to my posts have been a little more hostile lately than I've ever received before. Is it my imagination? Maybe, all I know is that my friends here are still my friends, and I've learned that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is be someone who can be loved. The rest is up to them.

Phil

 
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