Plunge less Knives

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swilliamf

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I am a little confused on the process of making plunge less knives. Can anyone point me in the direction of a good tutorial? Or explain to me the process
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Butch's video show how to do the "sweeping" plunge line. For true plungeless, the Japanese and scandi ways are the easiest way to do the blade. The guard Not so easy. With other methods, you will be doing a LOT of blending.;)
 
Hmm. I thought at the end he blended everything and made reference about not going to far back to mess up scale fit ups. Maybe I'm wrong it was still a good video. Thanks. Lu.
 
Maybe a picture of the type of plunge-less knife you want to do? There's a bunch of different directions this could go...
 
I may have seen a different video.
Lu1967 said:
Hmm. I thought at the end he blended everything and made reference about not going to far back to mess up scale fit ups. Maybe I'm wrong it was still a good video. Thanks. Lu.
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VERY good example, Karl, although I think that I would also want to see how the tang slot on his guards are filed out. You don't see any transition on his blades in pictures, just swoosh!!!;)
Karl B. Andersen said:
Take a look at any of Ray Richard's knives.
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With my Japanese styles, I just start the grind back a little bit, and wrap the first folds over the plunge grind. Pretty simple, and works really well with wrapped handles of all kinds. The excellent grip of the epoxy cured tsukamaki handle takes a little of the spook factor out of your hand coming up on the edge.

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Erin Burke has tutorials, here and on knifedogs... you can see how he slots the guards for plungeless blades
 
elementfe said:
Maybe a picture of the type of plunge-less knife you want to do? There's a bunch of different directions this could go...
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+1 This would be helpful. There are many different ways to build a knife with no visible plunge. What type of construction are you interested in? I tend to do quite a few plunge-less hidden-tang knives... but have done several full tang knives as well (which are trickier in my opinion).

Karl B. Andersen said:
Take a look at any of Ray Richard's knives.
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+1 Ray is the man. I miss having him around here regularly.

Josh Mason said:
With my Japanese styles, I just start the grind back a little bit, and wrap the first folds over the plunge grind. Pretty simple, and works really well with wrapped handles of all kinds. The excellent grip of the epoxy cured tsukamaki handle takes a little of the spook factor out of your hand coming up on the edge.
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THIS :thumbup:. What Josh describes here works great for smaller Japanese-style blades. I just finished a small batch of kwaiken like this.

stezann said:
Erin Burke has tutorials, here and on knifedogs... you can see how he slots the guards for plungeless blades
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Yeah... but I hear that he's kind of a prick. :D

Probably my most thorough WIP of a plunge-less hidden tang was posted over on Tracy Mickley's Knifedogs forum HERE... but I also have a few WIPs here in "Shop Talk" and "Hammer & Tongs".

Erin
 
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jdm61 said:
Butch's video show how to do the "sweeping" plunge line. For true plungeless, the Japanese and scandi ways are the easiest way to do the blade. The guard Not so easy. With other methods, you will be doing a LOT of blending.;)
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Lots of blending... can confirm. Although, after about fifty of these now, they come off the grinder much closer to final shape than they used to.

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Butch's video is in the video sticky thread at the top of the shop talk page. That is how I got into the plungeless sweeping grinds

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swilliamf said:
What do you mean by blending?
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Despite the surface in the picture appearing completely flat, it isn't. There is in fact a plunge, it is just hidden by being shaped to the edge of the scales. There must be some contour to the surface, since for one thing the scales are not just a straight line at their terminus, and secondly if it was dead flat, the edge would get thicker towards the handle. So basically you shape everything accordingly, and then go blend by file or sanding block until it becomes effectively invisible. Keep in mind this is only for this one specific style of grind, which is a full tang, soft-plunge. Not the only way to skin the cat, certainly.
 
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