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plz tell me is that one a new original design?!
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"Original" in that it is not a direct ripoff? I don't know.
"Original" in that all its design elements are entirely new? Not at all. Nothing original about a flipper, the handle shape looks familiar, the lock is a frame lock invented by somebody else, etc.
Isn't that doohickey in the center of the frame lock bar (I'm sure both have better names) directly lifted off a pretty new idea by someone?
"Original" in that all its design elements are entirely new? Not at all. Nothing original about a flipper, the handle shape looks familiar, the lock is a frame lock invented by somebody else, etc.
Isn't that doohickey in the center of the frame lock bar (I'm sure both have better names) directly lifted off a pretty new idea by someone?
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Yup. I can't say if it's a direct copy, but I'd be somewhat surprised if it wasn't. And I see it once again has the CPM-D2 blade steel that's been discussed. If Spyderco or Kershaw drops a knife in CPM-D2 I would probably believe that they had some in a warehouse somewhere and wouldn't think twice about grabbing one. When it's a design of questionable intellectual integrity hosted on a site widely known for knock-offs and counterfeits, you better show me the spectrometry results before I move a muscle towards my wallet.
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Filtrum, if it's on "that" website, no.
What Ti frame lock made by anyone doesn't have all those design elements? For crying out loud a Chinese company makes clones and we all criticize (rightfully so). A Chinese company comes out with an original design and we still tear it down! I think it looks good and doesn't appear to be a direct rip-off of anything.
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I quite happily buy Chinese knives, particularly from companies like Kizer and Reate. Thus far I've actually only purchased their original designs, not the collaborations both companies are doing. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the fact that there are Chinese knife companies, particularly those doing business through that particular website, that are infamous for counterfeits and knockoffs. I'm even more suspicious when they claim to use a blade steel that has been out of production for several years. If this is an original design, they did license the Hinderer overtravel stop and they really are using CPM-D2 then I will cheerfully eat my crow and apologize. I might even buy something of theirs. But until they present evidence of all of that, I won't buy and would advise others not to.
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The knife borrows heavily from rick hinderer. The LBS, the clip, screws and pivot in particular as well as the rearward handle shape. The lockbar insert area is reminiscent of a shirogorov neon. The blade steel could be D2. They may not know about CPM-D2 being a unique variety. Either way I dont dislike the knife. And I dont dislike chinese knives. In fact most of my knives are chinese. But I am NOT going to state a knife is original if it is not. Not that I even care either way. But I dont sugar coat turds and tell anyone its M&M's. IMHO some chinese designers seem to take an existing knife (in this case the xm) and throw it into a cad program and tweak it enough to not be a direct rip off. That is not designing to me. But Its also not a direct rip off with counterfeit logos so I respect the step in the right direction. They fell short a little though.
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I agree that there are definite Hinderer and Shirogorov styling cues. It's being sold by Ali under the Shirogorov name (lol), but I don't know if the Shirogorovs actually make a knife that looks like that. If they do, then I haven't seen it. Unless someone knows of such a knife by the real Shirogorov bros (or Hinderer), I'll tentatively call this an amalgam of "borrowed" design attributes that doesn't directly clone any specific knife.
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Kind of makes me think of the Dendra knives.
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It looks like an more-or-less original design that uses spare parts from less-than-original knives.
The real issue here is that, originality concerns aside, it doesn't strike me as particularly attractive or functional.
The real issue here is that, originality concerns aside, it doesn't strike me as particularly attractive or functional.
I don't know one way or the other, but is the Hinderer Lockbar Stabilizer proprietary?
It seems that when makers "borrow" the Axis Lock, no one calls the result Benchmade-ish or says they have "Benchmade styling cues" ... people accuse the maker of outright theft.
Is the LBS in the same category?
It seems that when makers "borrow" the Axis Lock, no one calls the result Benchmade-ish or says they have "Benchmade styling cues" ... people accuse the maker of outright theft.
Is the LBS in the same category?
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Well the LBS is supposedly either patented or trademarked. I cant remember which one. So in the USA no one should be using it without ricks permission as far as I know. IMHO it does serve a function but at the same time I feel the axis lock has a little more merit in that department. I really dont know man, seems these days everyone has a different view on just what is or isnt a no no. I think what is more interesting is that they chose to use the LBS in tandem with a lockbar insert. Which judging by the nub in the frame it would seem the LBS is completely not needed.
Thanks! My point is that if it is patented or trademarked or needs his permission to be used, even if it is not as significant as an Axis lock, using it is all she wrote for the knife.
Its a ripoff.
To say nothing about them using "Shigorov."