Pm steel structure and forging.

[DevinT]

The carbon is what makes the surface black. The steel etches away leaving the carbon on the surface, the carbon is not very durable and is why it rubs off easily. It’s also why annealed steel in the ferritic condition doesn’t etch well because the carbon is tied up in the carbides.

410 or 416 are good choices for cladding.

Hoss

 

[Willie71]

The carbon is what makes the surface black. The steel etches away leaving the carbon on the surface, the carbon is not very durable and is why it rubs off easily. It’s also why annealed steel in the ferritic condition doesn’t etch well because the carbon is tied up in the carbides.

410 or 416 are good choices for cladding.

Hoss

Thank you. I’ll defer to your experience here.

 

[Willie71]

410 only has .5% nickel, and resists almost as well as 304.

There a large difference in chromium too though. The nickel content is why you get the diffusion with 410, and more of a hard line with 304. I personally like the diffuse look, but I think we are on the outskirts of what is normal here. If guys like Devin don’t do it regularily for esthetics purposes, I’m assuming there is a good reason why.

 

[Salem Straub]

AEB-L will etch in ferric, and will darken, but for depth muriatic can be used followed by coloring with ferric. When I used AEBL for cladding over CruV, it welded fine and acted OK but it darkened more than I like in even a pretty brief etch.

 

[jdm61]

So lets forget about the beauty contest and talk about bat guano crazy for a sec. How about a sandwich of CPM1V bread and Z Wear meat? Perhaps a free school lunch sandwich with not a whole lot of meat in the middle? From Crucible's charts, it looks like in the high 50's range, 1V is within spitting distance of S7 as far as toughness goes. like 110 compared to 120-125. The austenizing temps line up for max toughness with the 1V, so the question would be the same. Can you do a low temperature temper with cryo on 1V and get the same results you get at 1000F or maybe a little better? How about PD-1 as a "filler?'

 

[DevinT]

You should do damascus clad made from stellite, tallonite, and meterorite with a core from 125V and charge $1000000.00 for it.

Hoss

 

[kuraki]

You should do damascus clad made from stellite, tallonite, and meterorite with a core from 125V and charge $1000000.00 for it.

Hoss

Finally! A clear path to become a millionaire knifemaker other than starting with 2 million.

 

[Willie71]

So lets forget about the beauty contest and talk about bat guano crazy for a sec. How about a sandwich of CPM1V bread and Z Wear meat? Perhaps a free school lunch sandwich with not a whole lot of meat in the middle? From Crucible's charts, it looks like in the high 50's range, 1V is within spitting distance of S7 as far as toughness goes. like 110 compared to 120-125. The austenizing temps line up for max toughness with the 1V, so the question would be the same. Can you do a low temperature temper with cryo on 1V and get the same results you get at 1000F or maybe a little better? How about PD-1 as a "filler?'

Pd-1 is basically the same stuff as z-wear/cru-wear. 1v should work fine with cryo and low temper. It’s lower alloy than z-wear.

https://www.alphaknifesupply.com/zdata-bladesteelC-ZWear.htm

 

[jdm61]

Hence the mention of it. I figured that y would buy the flavor that cost the least and/or is the most readily available. You can get 1V from places like Hudson, but the weird part is that their size chart seems to indicate that when you go up from 1/2 thick by 1.25 or 1.375 to 1.5 wide, the price almost doubles.

Pd-1 is basically the same stuff as z-wear/cru-wear.

https://www.alphaknifesupply.com/zdata-bladesteelC-ZWear.htm

 

[Willie71]

Hence the mention of it. I figured that y would buy the flavor that cost the least and/or is the most readily available. You can get 1V from places like Hudson, but the weird part is that their size chart seems to indicate that when you go up from 1/2 thick by 1.25 or 1.375 to 1.5 wide, the price almost doubles.

I’ve bought from Hudson. The pricing is inaccurate. The website makes huge jumps in price between sizes that gets corrected when you order.

 

[Willie71]

You should do damascus clad made from stellite, tallonite, and meterorite with a core from 125V and charge $1000000.00 for it.

Hoss

You forgot the adamantium and titanium.

 

[jdm61]

Hey, you are one of the guys who started this craziness.

You should do damascus clad made from stellite, tallonite, and meterorite with a core from 125V and charge $1000000.00 for it.

Hoss

 

[Geoff Flato]

I’ve bought from Hudson. The pricing is inaccurate. The website makes huge jumps in price between sizes that gets corrected when you order.

How was shipping and dealing with Hudson? I've been tempted by the L6 round bar

 

[Willie71]

How was shipping and dealing with Hudson? I've been tempted by the L6 round bar

I think they shipped the next day, iirc. Usual customs to deal with crossing the border, but no different from any other supplier.