PM2 in S90V or 15V?

Larrin’s toughness rankings are not Rc defined. 15V and S90V have similar toughness. The BBB 15V is run around 65 while most makers do S90V around 60-62. S90V at 61 is tougher than 15V at 65. See the graphs here (toughness graph of stainless steels has S90V and toughness graph of tool steels has 15V):




Impact toughness does not translate directly to Edge Stability.

The BBB 15V was not directly measured in Dr Larrin's charpy impact testing since it is a proprietary heat treatment.

Strength is an important factor not just bulk properties with HRC and Impact testing alone.

With the same grind and edge geometry under the same task/force the s90V will yield/deform sooner and stop working with cutting/slicing.

Can't strop out that edge deformation either, it has to be re-cut/re-apexed. So it's the same effect as a chowdered up edge.
 
Impact toughness does not translate directly to Edge Stability.

The BBB 15V was not directly measured in Dr Larrin's charpy impact testing since it is a proprietary heat treatment.

Strength is an important factor not just bulk properties with HRC and Impact testing alone.

With the same grind and edge geometry under the same task/force the s90V will yield/deform sooner and stop working with cutting/slicing.

Can't strop out that edge deformation either, it has to be re-cut/re-apexed. So it's the same effect as a chowdered up edge.

Is this comparison based on both steels at the same Rc? Or is it comparing BBB 15V at 65 with a standard heat treat S90V at 61? I’d love to see the experimental data for this comparison.
 
Impact toughness does not translate directly to Edge Stability.

The BBB 15V was not directly measured in Dr Larrin's charpy impact testing since it is a proprietary heat treatment.

Strength is an important factor not just bulk properties with HRC and Impact testing alone.

With the same grind and edge geometry under the same task/force the s90V will yield/deform sooner and stop working with cutting/slicing.

Can't strop out that edge deformation either, it has to be re-cut/re-apexed. So it's the same effect as a chowdered up edge.

I'm really curious what this edge deformation looks like. Would you care to share microscope pictures of it, along with the Rc of the S90V and 15V blades involved, and who did the heat treat on the S90V?
 
The BBB 15V was not directly measured in Dr Larrin's charpy impact testing since it is a proprietary heat treatment.

You have the data. Please share it and enlighten us. Many claims have been made that your heat treat is better than typical heat treat for 15V. Since there's no "regular" 15V for people to compare, it's impossible to verify the claims, which makes them unsubstantiated claims. This could be settled quite easily.
 
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For the many of you that have both Spyderco S90V and Spyderco 15V, which do you consider less chippy? I've got all the Larrin Thomas charts downloaded and compared the two on paper. I see the difference in corrosion resistance, edge holding and toughness. However, if you're only judging how chippy it is in use and during sharpening, which one do you prefer or consider best?

I just did a comparison test at home with a 15V PM3 LW, S90V N5 LW, and K390 Delica. As in previous tests, I wanted to simulate typical use for me, not just the single medium tests such as what you see with CATRA. For this, I used cardboard (large produce boxes from the grocery store), plastic (gallon ice cream buckets and gallon milk jugs), wood (well seasoned cedar), and 5/16" sisal rope. I did it in repeating rounds - three cuts in each medium with each knife, then start over again for another set. I ended up doing about 40 sets of cutting with each knife, which is more cutting than I do in a year of normal use. I favor tests like this because they not only show overall performance in a broad range of media, they also introduce something that is probably lacking in the tightly controlled testing, namely random side loading.

All three knives have the same blade length; the PM3 and N5 have the same blade thickness, while the Delica has a thinner blade stock. The 15V PM3 was sharpened by Shawn (BBB) and had a very nice edge at the start. The other two were sharpened by me on a 40/28 CBN stone followed by 1u diamond strop. The 15V PM3 started this with a better edge, but all three were shaving cleanly at the start.

Observations:

1. The 15V lost its shaving edge much faster.
2. The perceived force required to cut with the PM3 and N5 was very similar throughout the test, while the Delica required less force throughout, which I attribute to the thinner geometry.
3. At the end, the 15V blade "felt" sharper than the other two. Yeah, I know, very unscientific, but I don't have any measuring devices and after they stop shaving cleanly I can only go by how they feel using the old fashioned thumb across the edge test.
4. I don't have a microscope, but I do have a jeweler's loupe. Using the loupe I could see some very minor edge damage/microchipping on all three blades; surprisingly, I saw the most with the K390 Delica, while the PM3 and N5 were similar, with a very slight advantage to the 15V.
5. Resharpening was easy for all three, there was not enough dulling to require any real work in that regard. Four or five swipes on each side on the CBN and a few swipes on each side on the diamond strop and all three were back to hair popping sharp.

My take home lesson from this is that both 15V and S90V would suit your purposes fine. In real world use, I don't see a significant difference between them as far as chipping goes. If corrosion resistance is important for you, go with S90V. If corrosion resistance is not important, you may want to try 15V just to add it to your stable.

My hand is tired and I have a blister. I also earned an eye roll and "You're crazy" from my wife.
 
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