Political Knives = General Knives?

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Jens Schuetz

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Is the extreme political view of a maker only to be dicussed in the political area or is it closely tied to the brand name and thus value of a knife and therefore could be part of a General Knife Discussion thread?

I believe everybody kept it civil in this locked thread and only linked the political extremism of the maker to the purchase advice and nothing else.

Nobody discussed Nazis for a purely political reason. It was only with regards to the knives and their value or lack thereof.

Should only be this guy's attitude towards woman have been talked about but not his racism or would both have been too political?

How would one word an advice which is for a knife but has its root in the makers brand image which is tied to his political views?

If he'd be Chinese would an advice to only buy American be already too political for GKD?

Isn't being a Nazi way worse than being not American? How could one warn a potential customer in GKD without mentioning Nazism and being perceived as political discussion?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1392985

Thanks for your opinion.
 
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I think it's ok to talk about who's who when it comes to a maker but with the compromise by all parts of making it as informative and calm as possible.

It's always interesting to hear stuff about people but it shouldnt trigger a political discussion.

In the case of historical knives, of course it's ok to talk about politics, whichever they may be.


IN the case of that thread, I think it's legit for that guy to show the knifemaker's facebook pics, but the rest of the rant by all parts is useless and should have been kept somewhere else.
 
Best to keep these things out of general and post them in Political.
 
DPC said:
I think it's ok to talk about who's who when it comes to a maker but with the compromise by all parts of making it as informative and calm as possible.

It's always interesting to hear stuff about people but it shouldnt trigger a political discussion.

In the case of historical knives, of course it's ok to talk about politics, whichever they may be.


IN the case of that thread, I think it's legit for that guy to show the knifemaker's facebook pics, but the rest of the rant by all parts is useless and should have been kept somewhere else.
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Thanks. That makes sense.
Mention it once and be done with it.

It's just that one needs lots of people's input to get an impression of how such a thing impacts the brand and possible resale value for example.

If just one guy at the whole of BF says he wouldn't buy it, it doesn't look nearly such a bad thing as if 10 guys jump in and say they wouldn't buy it either for the same reason or slightly different variations of that reason.
Only then the OP can determine if he'd be able to get a good value.

With many brands perception is often a bigger factor than specs and performance.

Some are more likely to buy from somebody supporting guns. Others do the opposite. As long as they just mention it and don't discuss gun laws in general it could be fine. Same happened here. Nobody was just ranting on about Nazis. They just said, that's what he is and this is why they wouldn't buy from him. Some said how it shouldn't impact a buying decision and other said it should. It was never about any political issue itself in my opinion only about the knives/brand and how that issue impacts it's value.
 
btw, I think that the op in the other thread is connected to the "business" discussed. They just joined, and a few other things don't add up, including they disappeared from the thread once the real discussion began.
 
Good question maybe the wrong subforum though. It would sure be nice to know if a custom maker is a nazi. I think It is valuable to mention such things when someone asks about a knife from a maker the are concidering. Seems to me that is about the knife. I don't think we need to discuss why it maters if said maker is a nazi. Certainly not in GKD. Also, the forum rules are very clear that bigotry is not welcome here.
 
Here's the real question. Does a knife maker's ethos and private life come into buying a knife?

I would say from looking at past incidents the answer is a resounding yes for both good and bad behavior.

Second I would say the chances of getting a good value out of a knife from a maker that advertises his craft on Facebook is very low. And that prepaying for said Facebook knife is a fool's game.

Last we'll continue to see floods of new members who sign up to say what's my knife worth etc. did I get a good deal and then summarily vanish when they get the bad news. Sometimes they come back; thus the members who have been here for 10 years and have six posts.
 
Danke42 said:
Here's the real question. Does a knife maker's ethos and private life come into buying a knife?

I would say from looking at past incidents the answer is a resounding yes for both good and bad behavior.

Second I would say the chances of getting a good value out of a knife from a maker that advertises his craft on Facebook is very low. And that prepaying for said Facebook knife is a fool's game.

Last we'll continue to see floods of new members who sign up to say what's my knife worth etc. did I get a good deal and then summarily vanish when they get the bad news. Sometimes they come back; thus the members who have been here for 10 years and have six posts.
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One thing that I've seen from some makers is that they post their opinion about politics as well. And not just their opinion but insulting someone else who has a different opinion. It turns me off from buying a knife from them. There is one maker on this forum that I really enjoy his designs and would love to support his business but because he thinks I'm stupid as s*** because my political beliefs are different from his I have a hard time pulling the trigger.
 
craytab said:
Good question maybe the wrong subforum though. It would sure be nice to know if a custom maker is a nazi. I think It is valuable to mention such things when someone asks about a knife from a maker the are concidering. Seems to me that is about the knife. I don't think we need to discuss why it maters if said maker is a nazi. Certainly not in GKD. Also, the forum rules are very clear that bigotry is not welcome here.
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There are a large number of White Supremacy groups around, not just the Neo Nazi's. ;)

Can't really group them all together like that.
 
Ankerson said:
There are a large number of White Supremacy groups around, not just the Neo Nazi's. ;)

Can't really group them all together like that.
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Doesn't really matter to me, they're all about disgustingly the same, however given my family the Nazi's are the ones that concern me the most :thumbup:

Gosh, here we are discussing this crap again. Seems like a move or close is in order. It is Mothers day! Why do we need to think about this crap!
 
craytab said:
Doesn't really matter to me, they're all about disgustingly the same, however given my family the Nazi's are the ones that concern me the most :thumbup:

Gosh, here we are discussing this crap again. Seems like a move or close is in order. It is Mothers day! Why do we need to think about this crap!
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Given the current state the Country is in and all that seems to be going on I am not all that surprised that it did come up. ;)

Just saying.

This needs to be in Political however.
 
A thread is closed so you decide to reopen it by starting another thread on it and linking to it? Probably not the smartest of moves.
 
Danke42 said:
Here's the real question. Does a knife maker's ethos and private life come into buying a knife?

I would say from looking at past incidents the answer is a resounding yes for both good and bad behavior.
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Given that there's been a ton of talk about the ethics of buying from China in general as well as buying from makers who copy designs or locks - it seems the question (of where your money is going and what it is supporting) is well settled that it is part of the purchase decision for some people. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise, given the history of discussion in this forum.
 
Ankerson said:
Best to keep these things out of general and post them in Political.
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Discussion of people's character happens all the time in certain suforums. Why not here?

I saw it as a character discussion, not ad a debate about ideologies.

That said, I think the mods choice was a good one...that thread had run its course.
 
marcinek said:
Discussion of people's character happens all the time in certain suforums. Why not here?

I saw it as a character discussion, not ad a debate about ideologies.

That said, I think the mods choice was a good one...that thread had run its course.
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Oh I agree, however once things start to head down that road they are Political.

Personally I don't care what people believe as long as it doesn't effect me personally. ;)

Once it does then there is a problem....

That said one can't tell others how to think and what to think.

People have every right to think how they do, just as much right as those who might disagree with them.
 
Ankerson said:
Oh I agree, however once things start to head down that road they are Political.

Personally I don't care what people believe as long as it doesn't effect me personally. ;)

Once it does then there is a problem....

That said one can't tell others how to think and what to think.
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Down the road into a discussion about ideologies? I agree. Saying "I wouldn't buy from X because of his beliefs/politics/attitude etc.".... that I can see as General Discussion.

Saying " Xs beliefs/politics/attitudes are wrong because Y." .... that's not.

Not sure how far across the line that thread went, but the mods decided it was far enough, and that's good enough reason to close it for me. :thumbup:
 
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