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Poll: Blade shape

Discussion in 'Buck Knives' started by bertl, Jan 30, 2017.

  1. bertl

    bertl Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 17, 2011
    Click on the thumbnail, look at the photo, and state the blade shape.

    Bert

    blade shape.jpg
     
  2. MT_Pokt

    MT_Pokt Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 21, 2014
    I would call that a "Clear Point". Part clip + part spear.

    I admit... sometimes my $0.02 just doesn't go very far.
     
  3. Aias

    Aias

    Aug 1, 2012
    Somewhere between a drop point and a spear... but closer to a spear. Maybe...
     
  4. BuckShack

    BuckShack Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 19, 2015
    I think it's supposed to be clip. But it is bordering on spear, sort of.
     
  5. gedlicks

    gedlicks Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 15, 2012
    I would call that a recurved clip point.
     
  6. DeSotoSky

    DeSotoSky

    Mar 21, 2011
    It's a drop point, not a clip.

    A drop point is convex from the spine to the point.
    A clip point is concave from the spine to the point.
    There is no symmetry between the upper and lower edge so it does not have any spear characteristic.

    This back of this blade is clearly CONVEX in shape as it curves to meet the point..... DROP POINT
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2017
  7. pinnah

    pinnah

    Jul 28, 2011
    I would say "modified clip"
     
  8. David Martin

    David Martin Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    It's a modified clip point. DM
     
  9. bucksway

    bucksway Basic Member Basic Member

    Jan 7, 2007
    Has Buck ever used a true spear point in a folder?
     
  10. MT_Pokt

    MT_Pokt Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 21, 2014
    Not intentionally that I can think of. Unless you count the SwissBucks.
     
  11. 2TONYB

    2TONYB Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 21, 2005
    Clip modified to slightly resemble a drop point.
     
  12. Woodcamo Nut

    Woodcamo Nut

    655
    Apr 15, 2014
    drop point
     
  13. MT_Pokt

    MT_Pokt Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 21, 2014
    Is this a drop point as well since it's obviously not concave?

    [​IMG]
     
  14. pinnah

    pinnah

    Jul 28, 2011
    I don't think so. My understanding of the difference of a drop point and a modified clip is that the drop point will have a more continuous curve along the spine (e.g. The 500 series) while a modified clip will retain the sudden "hump" on the spine that is similar to the hump on a clip point (e.g. The Bucklite Max folders)

    IMO, the hump and swedge make that a modified clip.
     
  15. bertl

    bertl Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 17, 2011
    Thanks for the comments. I can see the arguments for calling it a modified clip and also for calling it a drop point. Sometimes we have an idealized vision when classifying things and then run across something that doesn’t quite fit the vision. This might be the case here. I am not sure what to call the shape, which is why I asked the question.
    The blade in question is a 1997 Model 303. So officially it is a clip point. To be a little more precise I think of the 303 pattern as a straight clip point, since the clip portion “never” has any curvature. Something else may add to the confusion; this blade has no swedge, which is something we generally associate with a clip point. About six years ago, 300Bucks had a post where he pointed out that for the years 1995, 1996, and 1997, the 303 clip had no swedge. The top was ground flat. My guess is that the final finishing was done by hand and that introduced some variation.
    In the attached photo, the 1997 knife is in the middle. The bottom knife is 1995 and has a nice flat clip. The top knife is 1996 and seems to be sort of intermediate.
    Thanks again for the comments.

    Bert



    95, 96, 97 no swedge 2.jpg
     
  16. TAH

    TAH Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 3, 2001
    Modified clip.
     
  17. st8yd

    st8yd Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 6, 2009
    I think Buck calls it a clip point.
     
  18. pinnah

    pinnah

    Jul 28, 2011
    In my work, I'm forced to deal with classification of what might be called artifacts of industrial design. I find it endlessly fascinating.

    There are many ways to think of categories. I find one of the best is to find a small number of "best of breed" and then define the set as things like those good examples. "In The Pines" is an example of a bluegrass song.

    One thing that is frustrating (and just have to roll with it) is that different manufacturers will use different terms for the same thing or the same term for different things. There ought to be a law!! 😁

    Here is a copy of a Camillus catalog from the 60s. See page 4. You'll note that both the clip point and pen clip have straight clip sections.

    http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us/Catalogs/1965-Camillus-Catalog-200s.pdf

    If you search for old Schrade catalogs. You'll see their old drawing show a clip as having a concave clip.

    I'm fairly certain that Buck used to call the Bucklite Max folders a "modified clip". Now they call them drop points and there's no way I would call the older Large Bucklite folders a drop point, as they were closer to a Turkish clip with the clip length being more than half the length of the blade.

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    When I think of drop point blades, I think the Bob Loveless drop point is the "In The Pines" exemplar. Graceful curves. No bump on the spine. I'm talking about the knife.
    [​IMG]

    Hope something here is helpful
     
  19. GIRLYmann

    GIRLYmann

    Nov 7, 2005
    A sorta clip point gone wrong.
     
  20. bertl

    bertl Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 17, 2011
    pinnah,

    I’m going to make a couple of comments and that will be the end for me. You can have the last word if you wish.

    First, you wrote, “IMO, the hump and swedge make that a modified clip” That must refer to the photo from MT_Pokt. The knife in the original post has no swedge. Does that change anything for you?

    For the blade in question, the “hump” points towards a clip point, but the “convex arc” points to a drop point. Is one character more important than the other? Maybe we should say that the blade isn’t a good example of either pattern but has characteristics of both. Do we need to force it into one category or another, or should we admit the world is full of variation?

    I think your “best of breed” and my “idealized vision” are probably similar. As humans we categorize all sorts of things constantly and decisions are based on some vague standard. Sometimes that’s useful and sometimes it causes problems.

    Your “best of breed” usage is timely since the Westminster Show is almost ready to go. Judges know the breed standards forwards and backwards and have judged thousands of dogs, but, nevertheless, their decision is subjective. It’s pretty safe to say that were two experienced people judging the same dogs each might pick a different individual as “best”.

    That Loveless is a great drop point. If I were picking a favorite example, it might be one of the Al Mar ebony handled Custom Series by Gerber. Even when we are agreeing we can have slightly different ideas.

    Finally, we all need to remember that we are only talking about knives. Surprisingly, there are a few things in the world that are more important, but at the moment I can't think of any.

    Bert
     
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2017

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