Poll: What kind of BOB do you use?

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Hoodoo

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1. External frame pack (what kind?)
2. Internal frame pack (what kind?)
3. Rucksack
4. Shoulder bag
5. Duffle bag
6. Load-bearing vest
7. Fanny pack
8. Tumpline pack
9. Gym bag
10. Other (specify)
11. None

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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
I use #2 (Wilderness Experience), #3,#6,and #7. Generally, I use the fanny pack alone when in a canoe or on board a boat out in the Great Lakes for a day or two. Often I'll use the rucksack and fanny pack together when on a "trail hike" overnight. The internal frame pack I use for backpacking with my non-survivalist buddies and the most use pack of all is #6- the LBV for full out, cross country, keep moving survival exercises. I like them all.

 
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My BOB is the toolbox on my truck at the moment. Don't really have my stuff ready to go, anymore.

When I am prepped for departure, it's a internal frame Dana Design Astralplane Overkill. Biggest downfall is that the packbag's so big you want to put EVERYTHING in there.
 
2. Arc Teryx (nice gear, excellent adjustability)

3. Domke F1 (for my camera, of course)

5. Does my USMC seabag count?
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Actually I have a giant, fire engine red, rubber coated North Face duffle bag that I travel with quite often. It keeps everything nice and dry when luggage is left to sit in the rain or is set down in a puddle, and it's super easy to spot on its way around the airport baggage carousel (in amongst all the other black bags).

6. Harris LBE (very well built and versatile, perfect for short day hikes)

7. North Face (only use it for skiing)

8. What the hell is a tumpline pack?
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9. Small, nondescript, cheapie nylon job.

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Semper Fi

-Bill
 
Bronco, a tumpline is a strap that you can attach to a pack or duffel or whatever. Then the strap can be worn across the forehead or shoulders. It's an old-timey way to carry loads and some claim it's the best way to carry very heavy loads.

This from Calvin Rutstrum's "The New Way of the Wilderness" on the tumpline: "It is very valuable in the North, where it is used by the Indians for most portages. The tumpline is a 2 1/2-inch head strap to which two narrower 8-foot leather straps or lines are attached. Sometimes these narrower lines are attached to the head strap with buckles so that they can be adjusted after the pack is loaded on the back. Inexpensive tumplines can be made with a leather head strap and ropes, but they are not quite as adaptable as those with leather lines.
When carrying a load with the tumpline, place the head strap high on your forehead. The advantages of the head carry instead of the shoulder carry are the better position of the pack and less strain on the body. Your neck muscles are stronger than you realize, and with continued tumpline packing they will develop greater strength. Indians, who pack all their lives, amaze white man with their tumpline packing ability. Special feats of 400- and 500-pound carries are known, but these are exceptional. The daily packing of 200 pounds over portage trails by Indians is not uncommon."

In the Jan/Feb 2001 issue of The Backwoodsman, there is a pic on p. 8 of a guy carrying his gear via a tumpline slung across his shoulders.

Hope this answered your question.
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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM



[This message has been edited by Hoodoo (edited 04-05-2001).]
 
From reading the posts, I think that I get the ideas. But what exactly is a B.O.B.???
 
BOB is short for bug out bag--a bag you would pack for emergency purposes where you might have to "head for the hills" and lay low for awhile or journey to your secret hideout.
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For instance:
http://www.equipped.org/earthqk.htm

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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
ooops..I forgot one. #10 ( other ) It's a little tin lunch box with a red handle and Roy Rogers

oops, I forgot one..# 10 ( other ). It's a little tin lunch box with a red handle, Roy Rogers & Dale Evens painted on one side...Trigger's on the other. Stuff it full of Twinkies, head to city park, grab a bench, pop down the twinkies, girl watch for awhile, wonder why the wife is mad at you and go home for more twinkies. Have a great day Hoodoo !!

 
My favorite BOB (kept in my car) is a Blackhawk 3 day assault pack. About 50% larger than a normal "day pack" there's plenty of room in there and the carrying system is the best I've tried (that's just a personal opinion, I haven't seen nearly everything out there). On the other hand, when I'm in the big city and commuting to and from it which I do by bus, I can't use the Blackhawk because it is too big and just screams "Military!" so I have to make do with a more ordinary day pack.
 
2) 120 ltr Berghous bergan with zip off pockets that turn into a day pack. Bought my own in the eighties, then five years later they came out with an issue version in DPM. Just starting to fall apart at the seems. Too much for when having fun.

3) 40 ltr Berghous Monro, simple internal frame day sack. Have also an issue non framed but padded DPM patrol sack 35 ltrs (now also in OG).

4)Shooting Systems flight bag.

6)Don't like them.

7)Ski bum bag for skiing.

8)Wide strap with rope for pulling stuff, not carrying stuff.

9)Shooting Systems.

10)i) Shooting seat with a bag attached. Keeps your butt out of the wet, so you don't get piles. Really for range work and pigeon shooting. Swapped with an Australian at AFSAM in the USA.
ii) Bergan liners, much better than plastic sacks.
iii) Jiffy bags, freezer bags.
iv)Shooting coat pockets.
v)Packed weekend bag, with passport/driving licence ready to go.

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Hoodoo,
Thanks for the education on the tumpline.
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Greenjacket,
I didn't care much for LBVs either until I happened upon the Harris.

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Semper Fi

-Bill
 
I found EMS 3000L (3000 c.inch long torso model) internal frame backpack an ideal size BOB for anything from one-day to overnight trips. Survival pouch on belt complements it.
I found smaller backpacks too small. LBVs and vests: still hesitating to go for. Mountainsmith lumbar packs with optional shoulder straps are on my list to get next (to complement backpack or substitute it on short hikes).

HM
 
Here is an idea I am playing with for the Urban environment. It will stay in my car most of the time. I have one of those expandable Cordura briefcases. It has several outside pockets and is well organized. It may not qualify as a full BOB but I like it anyway...

It carries my:

Glock 17 with 3 HiCap Mags and holster.
Goretex Stash Away Rain Jacket (Black).
Two Thermax shirts, one in Navy Blue for night and urban one in brown for the woods.
Small First Aid Kit.
Two Mini Bics. One is in a Metal Case that Bic put out. It is a little heavy but is very stout.
Chris Reeve Mountaineer with 4" Blade. In the handle is a sparklite fire starter and a Marbles 1/2" compass this is all cushioned by Sparklite tindertabs.
A small radio with Shortwave capabilities.
Two spare Photon IIs, 1 white, 1 red.
Sure Fire 6Z with 225 lumen bulb and 3 spare batteries and 125 lumen spare bulb.
Leatherman wave in Cordura sheath.
Sewing Kit.
3 Gallon Sized Zipper bags. This is a great bag better than ZipLock because you have to slide the zipper across which gives you better control.
Katadyn Pocket filter.
2 Space Blankets, 1 space bag.
Esbit Picket stove with fuel.
Sheet of Heavy foil.

I think that is all.

What do you think?


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Hoah! (Its an Army thing!)
 
Rnpollard...I think it is excellent ! If China looses its cool and all heck breaks lose, would you mind swinging by Livonia and picking me up ? That's a great list. Suppose we could add and subtract all day long, but your seem to have covered all basis.
 
Well, I would prefer to go with military issue ranger bag the new ones. I haven't seen anything out on the commerical market that could beat them, from a comfort, wear, and weight distribution stand point. Granted that they tend to weigh a couple of more pounds than the northface, columbia etc.. but they make up for it by being tough as steel. Uncle sam may pay thru the nose for products, but you know they are rock solid. Anyway, My feeling is that you have to be realistic. There no way that your going to walk with a 100 lb pack on your back for days on end. Its more realistic to march with a 50 lb pack and if your really fit maybe a 70 lb or 80 lb pack. I often see people place food items like cans etc.. which weigh a ton or bulky item that takes up a lot of space like foam matress.

Anyway, you should have more than one bob your A list and your b list. If dump them in the car and drive you might be able to get to use both bags if you don't have to travel long distances.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by hannibal lecter spyderco:
I would prefer to go with military issue ranger bag the new ones.</font>
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Could you describe that, or provide a link? Guess I've missed those.
I'm familiar with the relatively new Marine Corps pack system(s), but not a "ranger bag".
 
While cbrt gave a great link to a site, this is not exactly the bob that I was talking about. This is a bit smaller than the one for long range mission that they use. I believe its the same design as the ones that seals and green beret use for long range mission. It can hold a ton, it has the latest and greatest as far as shoulder strap design as well waist design very important if you ask me. it has tons of pockets and divider and ammo pouch radio, as well as water sack. The back of the pouch is padded rather heavy and I think it is even lined with kevlar. "Don't quote me on the kevlar part, but it looks like a kevlar material. Lots of webbing and it a bit bigger than the one thats on cbrt web link. I'm not sure about the capacity though.

I think its about 400 to 500 dollars if you can find it. The reason being that if Ranger Backpack is close to 200 dollars and its rather small to the one that I'm talking about I expect the long range pack is about double in cost.

I saw this bob when I was visiting a ranger friend of mine who I met when I was in the navy. Anyway, I don't think your going to find it at any surplus store. Whatever you pick make sure its strong and comfortable the two most important things if you ask me. If you can't carry it for long distant its useless as a bob. If it can't take a beating its useless as a bob. I rather carry less and be comfortable than be tired and in pain and carry a lot.
 
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