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poncho and heat sheet "tents"

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Ive finaly gotten some time to "play" as my wife calls it and have been practicing with shelters. ive got a few milspec ponchos and couple of sportsmans blankets (heavy duty space blankets)

ive got pics but my phone isnt sending to my email like it should so i was wondering what others have done in past with similar items?

ive learned that i need to sew loops in my ponchos cuz i ripped a grommet out and am also thinking of adding steaks to my kit instead of making them on the spot(the ground is either rocky or sandy and my bushmade arnt sticking)
 
Sadly, I'm really too tall to use a regular poncho or the heavy duty space blankets for a proper shelter, but I like to use a poncho in dry weather and for day hikes, when it is just for keeping the dew off of me.

I used to always just make stakes from a sapling wherever I set up camp, but then once I had to set up camp in a downpour. I have started carrying stakes when I expect rainy weather or when I know that I won't have alot of time before dark to setup.

I tie cord loops through all the grommets on my poncho so that I can use "field made" stakes easily, because the grommets are too small to fit most wood stakes that will be effective.

Old pic, but it shows one of my favorite setups with a smaller tarp:
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Tie one corner at desired height, stake out other three corners, suspend hood to raise the roof. If there are no directly overhead branches, you can do like I did with my larger tarp here:
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Tie a cord higher up on the same tree as the raised portion of the tarp, and stake out the other end so the cord runs directly over the center suspension point. Use a taut-line hitch at one end, and leave the cord slack. Attach the center of the poncho or tarp, and then tighten the line. It will pull up, raising the center of the tarp.
 
Siguy's got a couple good examples for you, better than I have. But I do have tip for if you ever rip through a grommet in the field: use a monkey fist.

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Nice pics siguy, I really like that first one.

as to ponchos and heatsheats....several of us have been experimenting with and talking about both at different times.


AMK Heat Sheets....

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what parts I posted of a fairly extensive durability test and discussion here...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=621425







Quick poncho shelter.....


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more pics, and links to, of other people's set ups and a discussion on it here...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=629347
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Poncho shelters:
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As for 'similar items,' here's a shelter made from a coated nylon tarp. We did a little Origami on this one, and folded one end so it made a vertical wall, thus completely enclosing the end. Rain was in the forecast, so we dscided to batten things down. It did rain, but it wasn't as heavy as predicted:
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The rear peak was tied to a solid branch using the rock/monkey fist method stingray posted. I actually use that quite a bit. We secured teh excess material with rocks, so the back flap wouldn't blow open onto us.
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And here is my 'Taj Mahal' hammock setup using an MSR Trekker Tarp overhead:
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Great photos, guys. This is something I need more practice with for sure and it always helps to see how others do it.
 
Great photos, guys. This is something I need more practice with for sure and it always helps to see how others do it.

+1. Especially with the knots used and stuff like that.

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Tie a cord higher up on the same tree as the raised portion of the tarp, and stake out the other end so the cord runs directly over the center suspension point. Use a taut-line hitch at one end, and leave the cord slack. Attach the center of the poncho or tarp, and then tighten the line. It will pull up, raising the center of the tarp.

That's a good one for me to remember :thumbup:. And using the monkey fist on the inside like hikeeba did.
 
Snow said:
Great photos, guys. This is something I need more practice with for sure and it always helps to see how others do it.
+1. Especially with the knots used and stuff like that.

That's a good one for me to remember :thumbup:. And using the monkey fist on the inside like hikeeba did.
Disclaimer: Forgive me if I am not (knot!) using proper roping terminology, like bend, bight, etc...



I tend to use a loop made with a simple overhand knot with the rock/monkey fist. It is super-easy and fast to tie and untie, and the loop will tighten itself the more you pull on the main line.
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Or, if I want something more secure/bomber, I'll used a single fisherman's knot (sorry for the bad cell phone pic).
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And my #1, most used, knot for guying out tents and tarps is is the taut-line hitch. Again, super-easy to tie, and easy to undo. If you're unfamiliar with this hitch, it is sort of ike a ratchet. Once tight and under tension, it won't readily move. If you relieve the tension on the main line, you can slide the hitch up and down the line to adjust tension. Grab the knot with one hand, and the main line behind the knot (loop end) with the other hand, pull on the main line to relieve tension, and slide the knot up and down the line. I tie this knot more than I tie shoes. Really, I use it everywhere - temporary clothes lines in the house, adjustable loops for holding doors open, for joining two lines together that I want to adjust in length, etc. Small stuff - not a life-safety climbing knot!
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Animated version at this site: http://www.netknots.com/html/tautline_hitch.html

If you have a problem with this know slipping on whatever line you're using, try increasing the number of times you go around the main line before crossing it back on itself for the final loop.


And finally, to attach line to grommets or webbing loops, I use a girth hitch.
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Again, my motivation is that it is easy to tie and untie. With grommets and loops, one needs to threadthe line through to make the girth hitch, chich is also called a lark's head knot, I think. I usually leave the tail loose, but if you need a bomber hook-up, just tie the tail in an overhand knot or a single fisherman's knot around the main line to prevent it from slipping and coming undone.

My hammock (in the above pics) is secured to the trees using girth hitches. I just slide them around the trees to adjust the height and tension of the hammock, and they tighten once I get into the hammock. Sometimes they take a little adjusting, especially if one is in and out of the hammock a lot, but they are easiy to loosen and adjust. And once the weight is applied, they stay put.

I like simple knots, and the ones I've listed have always worked well for me. Again, I used these knots for securing tents and tarps, and not for any life safety maneuvers!
 
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Good stuff Hikeeba. You have shown two knots that I use relatively often. That half-a-double fishermans knot forming a sliding loop is an attractive, reliable knot which is good for something I don't want to undo in a hurry.

The tautline hitch has become a real favorite. We sell stuff regularly at craft markets and we have a portable gazebo. We often hang a mirror, or displays of goods, or signage using nylon cord. The tautline hitch enables us to adjust the length of the various ties to keep things hanging nice and square.

The full double fishermans bend (?) is a good strong knot, but it can be tough to undo. I have come to really appreciate the Zepplin Bend for joining similar sized ropes. It seems really easy to undo in most circumstances.... but I have to think about it when I'm tying it. But if I have the time and no huge pull on the cord I'm trying to join, I will generally choose the Zepplin Bend for joining. Here it is:

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I like using a slipped Buntline Hitch when I need a secure knot I can easily undo. I have found, to a certain extent, this hitch can be used a bit like the tautline hitch if the load isn't too great and if the cord isn't too slippery. I might use a slipped Buntline Hitch to tie around the 'monkey fist' on a tarp. If the tail of the slipknot sits in the right place, the whole knot pretty much disappears when you pull on the tail. If the tail ends up in the wrong place, the knot will still pull undone, but you might have to fiddle with it a bit. Here is the slipped Buntline Hitch:

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Must go to bed. Big day tomorrow. Best wishes ... Coote.
 
Great photo's. I've got a big sheet, but never used it as you guys did, I will try this out. The only times I used it was to make a place out of the sun. The four corners were attached to trees by using a rope and some simple knots.
 
Dang, I REALLY need to learn that tautline hitch. I literally have no knots or knot skills in my arsenal. I pretty much tie whatever I can however I can. :o

Good posts, guys.
 
Dang, I REALLY need to learn that tautline hitch. I literally have no knots or knot skills in my arsenal. I pretty much tie whatever I can however I can. :o

Good posts, guys.

The tautline hitch is awesome but this is still my preferred method for tying the monkey fists. (sorry about the blurry pics...taken with my old camera) and then using a couple of wraps and then the tautline to tie to stakes.

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Hikeeba, what's your name from?

Those AMK blankets, are they as noisy as the regular mylar space blankets?
 
Hikeeba, what's your name from?

There was once a television show called Mystery Science Theater 3000, in which a guy was marooned on a satellite orbiting the Earth. Every week an evil scientist forced him to watch a really bad sci-fi movie. The guy in the satellite was lonely, so he made a few robot companions out of parts of the satellite. The guy and the robots would watch the movies and make funny comments. Sometimes, when there was a fight scene, one of the robots would exclain 'Hikeeba!', as that is what people shout (apparently) when delivering a karate chop. Hence, my screen name. There was a time when if one joined the Mystery Science Theater 3000 fan club, one would receive a bumper sticker that said Hikeeba! as part of the package.
 
Ah, Mystery Science Theater was awesome, some good late night watching right there :D :thumbup:


Good stuff on the knots; like Snow, I pretty much have been tying things randomly with square knots or larks heads etc. I've been starting to use the tautline hitch, just tying stuff up to practice....so much better :thumbup:.
 
I was just looking at my bookmarks and came across this thread again. Very, very good info. I think it deserves a sticky.
 
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