Portable Bandsaw (and build table) or HF 4x6 with stand?

Adding the portaband to the shop was something I should have done when I first got started. The first time I used it I had 5 fully profiled knives in the time it used to take me to do one. That means I can spend more time in other areas and provide better overall quality to my customers.

I think the most important thing is to go low and slow, tool steels are rough on blades, even when "soft". For instance, on my HF unit, I have to use the second to lowest speed and even that is a bit too fast, the lowest is just unusable, so it almost doesn't count.

The portaband is also a bit louder. I think the 4x6 is superior in every way, but the portaband is a good alternative.

I already have a 14" clone that I souped up a bit for metal cutting, but in the end I decided to keep it as a wood machine in case I wanted to do small resawing to cut handle blanks for stabilizing. It's also nice to have a dedicated machine for handles, and one for blades. In a perfect world, I would finish converting my 14" to metal by adding a gearbox, and then buy a second 14", but that isn't in my budget or space contstraint. The main reason I went portaband was that I could just stick it on a shelf when I wasn't using it. I made up a little doohickey for the handle that lets me hold it in the vise without damaging it. Next I'm going to make up some kind of hacked together screw adjuster for the trigger so I can get some semblance of speed control between a bit too low, and a bit too high.

I plan on getting a "real" metal cutting bandsaw when I have a shop, so I didn't want to invest more than the cost of the HF portaband. It's a little funky, but it works quite well. I'm still on the stock blade and my second bar of 3/16" XHP (9 knives). It isn't a great blade, but I've been dripping a bit of cutting oil on the teeth and the cut line to help it out (probably the only reason it's survived this far).



cutting tool steel on a bandsaw:

-Proper blade speed, keep to the low end
-Tooth count correct for material thickness (or at least within reason)
-a bit of oil or blade lube (comes in a stick) definitely doesn't hurt
-medium pressure, hard enough for each tooth to cut a proper chip, but not so hard that the teeth get overloaded/overheated
-blade intended for tool steels if possible, but at least a decent bimetal


(I know these have pretty much been mentioned, just wanted to make a little list)
 
Could you explain a bit more why the portable/stand didn't work for you for cutting blanks? Thanks, Hawk

I make a lot of thick knives around 1/4" or more and even with low tpi blades it was just to slow and didn't seem like it had enough ass to cut the thicker steels. It works great for handle material and pins. I plan on getting the 4 x 6 and having them both in my shop.
 
I make a lot of thick knives around 1/4" or more and even with low tpi blades it was just to slow and didn't seem like it had enough ass to cut the thicker steels. It works great for handle material and pins. I plan on getting the 4 x 6 and having them both in my shop.

I could see that. It was slowing a bit with 3/16" XHP, but not to the point where I would consider it a problem. Thicker stuff might be pushing it though. Normally I consider 3/16" to be thick, I usually work around .150 to .125

To be honest though, very thick stock being hand-fed on a bandsaw is kind of a bummer no matter what. I used to hand saw up a bunch of 1/2" and thicker bar stock on a full sized metalworking machine with very good blades, and even being mild steel, it required quite a bit of force for the teeth to cut.
 
Weird. I've cut metal way over 1/4" thick with my Milwaukee. No trouble at all with a good blade. Perhaps it's like any tool, buy once, cry once. Here's the one I bought for anyone who might be interested. 11 amp, variable speed, true 5" cutting capacity. http://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/corded/6232-21

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I'm really surprised to see so many guys say the 4X6 is a better option...

I've had a Jet 4X6 for almost 18 years, and it's an okay saw. I've gone through it several times adjusting everything, used quality blades, etc. and the damn thing will still randomly throw a blade. It cuts okay. The only benefit of mine over my portaband is more clearance. Keep in mind I have a larger horizontal saw for cutting structural steel and billets... If that's something you'll do much of, then the 4X6 being able to go horizontal is a plus.

I have a Dewalt portaband with a stand that I threw together, and it cuts circles around my 4X6.

I can cut a blade out on the portaband MUCH faster than my 4X6.

If you just watch the first few seconds of this, you'll see me cutting 1/4" S30V on the portaband. I can cut one of those blades out in a few minutes.

[video=youtube;RhijW7L9Cm4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhijW7L9Cm4[/video]
 
I'm really surprised to see so many guys say the 4X6 is a better option...

I've had a Jet 4X6 for almost 18 years, and it's an okay saw. I've gone through it several times adjusting everything, used quality blades, etc. and the damn thing will still randomly throw a blade. It cuts okay. The only benefit of mine over my portaband is more clearance. Keep in mind I have a larger horizontal saw for cutting structural steel and billets... If that's something you'll do much of, then the 4X6 being able to go horizontal is a plus.

I have a Dewalt portaband with a stand that I threw together, and it cuts circles around my 4X6.

I can cut a blade out on the portaband MUCH faster than my 4X6.

If you just watch the first few seconds of this, you'll see me cutting 1/4" S30V on the portaband. I can cut one of those blades out in a few minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhijW7L9Cm4

I went through a couple of the four by sixes.
The second I have tuned to keep a blade on, the first I threw away if frustration.

I sometimes wish I had taken the sledge to it, I may have felt better.


I have a HF portaband, cheap, nothing fancy
I am so impressed at what that will cut, I will hardly ever use a hacksaw again.


I wish the four by six worked better as I'd like it to work on fabrication projects.
I'd like it to do straight cut offs.


I may just upgrade to a better saw, but there is always something else to spend on first.
 
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I use a Dewalt 4.5 inch angle grinder with a 1/16 cutoff wheel to whack off pieces around my blade tracing before using a 2x72 belt grinder to finish the profile but I bought a "Swag off road table" for a new Milwaukee deep throat portaband saw and it works really well to cut off bolster pieces and cut pieces of sheet brass and nickel. I still use the angle grinder to save my band saw blades because the portaband is slow and band saw blades are kind of expensive and a minor pain to stop and change them. If you can afford it I would buy the Swag table and a Dewalt or Milwaukee portaband because you will use it frequently. Just my opinion . Larry Lehman
 
It sounds like I need to try some different saw blades and have a go at it again with my portable. What brand and TPI of blades are you guys using to cut the thicker steels, and what cutting fluid?
 
It sounds like I need to try some different saw blades and have a go at it again with my portable. What brand and TPI of blades are you guys using to cut the thicker steels, and what cutting fluid?

Bi metal blades are important.
the blades I can most easily buy are from Home Depot
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauke...ct-2-_-100077769-_-203113391-_-N#.UqLV-yclgb8
Milwaukee 44-7/8 in. 18 TPI Deep Cut



3 teeth in the work, or the teeth will strip.

I use 18 tpi most often



I just use it dry.
I found that any oil or fluid will tend to hydroplane the blades off the wheels.
 
Larry- lemme preface this by saying I'm a firm believer in "whatever works best for you in your shop" :) ....and I use angle grinders with cut-off wheels quite a bit, but not for cutting out knife blades. 1/16" thick cut-off wheels wear down fairly quick, like to grab, and throw crap everywhere. I think it would take a box full of cut-off wheels to cut the same number of knife blades one portaband blade would cut.

The little portaband is quiet, clean, safe, and (for me anyway) really fast.

Now what I really want is a 30" DoAll vertical saw--- but that's just a bit of a different price point. ;)
 
Great stuff everyone. This has been a very helpful thread. I think I'm going to go with the portaband to start as it's small and compact and see how it goes. I'm only doing about 15 knives in a run (about 6 months) so this should be perfect. Plus the HF is always on sale and the 20% coupons make it fairly reasonable anytime.. and who doesn't need more tools.
 
Great stuff everyone. This has been a very helpful thread. I think I'm going to go with the portaband to start as it's small and compact and see how it goes. I'm only doing about 15 knives in a run (about 6 months) so this should be perfect. Plus the HF is always on sale and the 20% coupons make it fairly reasonable anytime.. and who doesn't need more tools.

I was going to build a stand for mine, but I can just grip the handle in my bench vise.

A better table may be nice, but so far I'v skipped it.
 
This is an old buffalo I been using for 7-8 years. I made a table and shims for then mounted it to a heavy anvil and press table via a piece of 3" channel. Its not the fastest thing on the planet but its strong and pretty accurate.


 
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