pots and pans: non-Aluminum and w/o coating

Are the grooves like a deep, well-defined "washboard" surface, or do they just look like machine marks?

In the case of the former, I've only ever seen those on non-stick pans. Makes really good pancakes. I'm not sure how they'll perform with a non-nonstick surface. Probably a pain to clean if you get some cheese burned down into them.

In the case of the latter, I had a wok that had a surface something like that, and I didn't have any trouble with it. Of course, the seasoning contributes to no-stickumness. Whether or not such a pan is right for you will depend largely on your preferred cooking practices. Grease is your friend, fat is flavor:) [tangent]Mmm, butter, oil, lard, bacon grease, more butter, clarified butter, ghee, more oil, lots more butter. . .[/tangent]

Also note that all that stuck on food makes an excellent base for pan sauces. Steak au poivre, anyone?

I have no doubt that such pans can be easily be kept clean, if your standards aren't too high. If you can stick it back in the cabinet with the pristine surface marred by a little polymerized oil and a few flecks of carbon, that's great. Otherwise, a lot of quality time with a copper scouring pad might be in your future, and you probably won't get it completely "clean" even then. I've seen that stuff stand up to dremel tools.

:)
 
Are the grooves like a deep, well-defined "washboard" surface, or do they just look like machine marks?

In the case of the former, I've only ever seen those on non-stick pans. Makes really good pancakes. I'm not sure how they'll perform with a non-nonstick surface. Probably a pain to clean if you get some cheese burned down into them.

In the case of the latter, I had a wok that had a surface something like that, and I didn't have any trouble with it. Of course, the seasoning contributes to no-stickumness. Whether or not such a pan is right for you will depend largely on your preferred cooking practices. Grease is your friend, fat is flavor:) [tangent]Mmm, butter, oil, lard, bacon grease, more butter, clarified butter, ghee, more oil, lots more butter. . .[/tangent]

Also note that all that stuck on food makes an excellent base for pan sauces. Steak au poivre, anyone?

I have no doubt that such pans can be easily be kept clean, if your standards aren't too high. If you can stick it back in the cabinet with the pristine surface marred by a little polymerized oil and a few flecks of carbon, that's great. Otherwise, a lot of quality time with a copper scouring pad might be in your future, and you probably won't get it completely "clean" even then. I've seen that stuff stand up to dremel tools.

:)

Yes, to machined look. I'm sure there is a name for this...I would say that it looks like the pieces were not buffed. And you are very funny: I certainly don't have a problem using 'grease':D but it will likely be canola or olive oil; I can just see that stuck-on cheese;). No, I'm not a nit picker (low standards) when it comes to cosmetics:), there is only a narrow band of copper near the base of the pan, in fact the instructions say to clean with a non-chlorine cleanser and a nylon pad, doable. Maybe I'm worrying for nothing.

BTW I liked your suggestion very much! If this set seems like a bad idea yours is next on the list. And you succeeded in making me hungry.
 
I use a couple of french carbon steel fry pans. Great tools, they season well and act like non-stick. You can find them at Chefs Catalog.

Cast iron cooks well and we like using it since ours has heritage. Our cast iron skillets are over 80 years old so are well seasoned. Good ones are passed down from generation to generation.
 
annr,
Those look like the same tool marks as in our AllClad. They are more visual than actual ridges. The inside of our pans are very smooth even though you can see the tool marks. Just this evening I took several AllClad pieces and put them on a burner on high and poured in just enough vinegar to cover the inside bottom. In just a few minutes when the vinegar begins to boil the food stain lifts and you have a nice clean pan bottom (inside). I do this about every two months...
 
I am trying to get some of the decent UK, properly made S/S kit that is not related to the sink in which it is to be washed.

There is a whole load of info if you want to surf the net. The use of wines and vinegar often leaves metalic tast (mild). Steel types are as important as blade making.
I have a collection of 1960's copper-core stainless steel pans by Prestige. The company has gone the way of many things though the name lingers on on some nasty imported stuff. The pans are still perfect after 40+ years of use, though drastic overheating (pan glowing red) caused the handles of two to fail.
 
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SPAM CONFETTI PASTA

Recipe By :
Serving Size : 6 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Main dish

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
Vegetable cooking spray
2 c Frozen corn, thawed
1 cn SPAM Luncheon Meat, cut in
-2″ strips (12 oz)
1 Red bell pepper, chopped
1 Green bell pepper, chopped
3/4 c Chopped red onion
1 1/2 c Whipping cream
2 tb Chili powder
1/4 t Pepper
12 oz Angel hair pasta, cooked
-and drained
2 Tomatoes, peeled and chopped
1/4 c Minced fresh cilantro

In skillet coated with cooking spray, saute corn, SPAM, bell peppers,
and onion over medium heat 5 minutes or until tender. Transfer
mixture to bowl; keep warm. To same skillet, add cream, chili powder,
and pepper. Bring to a boil; boil 5 minutes or until cream has
slightly thickened, stirring occasionally. Pour over pasta and toss
well. Spoon SPAM mixture over pasta. To serve, sprinkle with chopped
tomatoes and cilantro.
 
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ANNR,
The few things you've said about your cooking style reveal quite a bit about the kind of pots and pans you might need, but of course only you can be the judge of exactly what you want.

Costco has had several different Kirkland Sig. lines in their pots and pans, both SS and non-stick. My best guess is that they have simply changed vendors several times. I saw a nice SS set about 2 years ago, but since then I haven't been too impressed. Thin walls, not very good polish, etc. The Kirkland Signature (as opposed to their other Kirkland brands) non-stick set has looked to be quite nice and reasonably priced. If that's what you want, and it's the set I'm thinking about, it's not a bad choice, especially for $200. However, you can't throw a saute pan that you've just sauteed something in into the oven to roast with non-stick, it's way too risky.

That said and all, I think your actual cooking needs are not represented by anything like a set. You've said that you cook things from scratch and without a lot of unnecessary fats and sugars. That probably means that you do a lot of fast and slow cooking, but not much in between. For that you would only need a few pans.

I've always been of the mind that one should buy once and cry once, and likewise I am of the mind that one should purchase the best item of a type, regardless of whether it matches the other things in your house or kitchen. So when I want a Chef's knife, I buy the best Chef's knife I can find, and then the Santoku that might sit next to it in the block might well be a totally different design and brand.

Not knowing the particular avenue of cuisine that you like, I can guess that you need a good saute pan, a skillet, maybe an egg pan, a pasta/small stock pot and some form of a dutch oven.

Lodge makes excellent products, and they even have a couple of fancier lines for different uses, like woks. Best of all, Lodge probably has the most reasonable prices of any high quality kitchen items on the market.

For saute pans and such, All-Clad is really hard to beat for a million reasons.

Copper is only useful for looking pretty and being extremely reactive to heat. If you shut the heat off on a copper pan, it stops cooking. Likewise if you turn up the heat, it starts cooking evenly and almost immediately. If you want to sear a piece of duck and then turn down the heat to simmer it with some mushrooms a copper pan is your huckleberry. Electric burners don't turn on and off like a gas stove however, rather they ramp up and ramp down heat. If you want copper pans because they are pretty, then only your wallet need know your shame. Otherwise, save your money.

For electric burners, aluminum core is much better because it diffuses heat evenly, something that electric burners are not able to do very well. So unless you plan on getting a new gas line and stoves put in some time soon, stick with aluminum core pans, especially ones that spread the core evenly up to the lip of the pan to maximize evenness.

Which brings me to Revere pans. There's nothing wrong with them int he grand scheme of things. Back in the day, they were well made and served the average home well. I grew up with them myself.

But not only are their modern products garbage now, but they do not have a copper core up to the lip, only at the bottom. Therefore the heat only comes from the bottom rather than enveloping the food being cooked.

All-clad is one of the companies that pays specific attention to really good cores, but they're not the only one. I buy US-made when I can, which is why I push Lodge and All-Clad whenever I can. But, there are some really fine products out there from Belgium, Switzerland and so on that are equally good and equally expensive, as well as some products that are not much less good but much less expensive, however made in Thailand. Analon for example makes some really nice pans. One other advantage of All-Clad pans that knife nuts can appreciate is that they use much better steel than most cheaper companies. Analon is a notable exception in some of their offerings. Lower grade steels will develop tiny scratches much easier, which will make food stick more and the pans will be harder to clean. If you have a nice bistro style restaurant nearby, try to look into the kitchen to see the saute pans. Most likely, the inside walls of the pans will be covered in oil seasoning from years of cooking, but the floor of the pan will be glass smooth and bare steel.

As for a pasta pot, you need at least one that is not cast iron. The simple reason is that while cast iron is the bee's knees for a lot of things, sometimes you simply don't need to spend all the electricity heating up a pot, boiling some carrots and moving on to the next thing. You can save some money on this option because it's not such a crucial thing to make sure every last inch of your pot is heating evenly when it's filled with water.

Then get yourself at least one enameled oven, maybe a small covered roaster. You'd be amazed the kinds of things you can cook in one of those without paying attention to detail. They're a lot like a crockpot in that you can throw food in them, essentially forget about it, and come back later to something lovely. In addition, they are really awesome in that they can hold amazingly high heat so alot of chefs these days actually use cast iron to cook things quickly when they need to sear over and over. Let's say for example you're having a dinner party and you need to brown some game hens before putting them all in a pan to braise. The advantage of the enameled pot is that you can use it as your no-brainer slow cook pot. You don't have to worry about breaking the seasoning, you don't have to worry about putting the leftovers in the fridge still in the pot and having it rust out, and the next day you can throw the pot back in the oven or stove and heat it up. Le Creuset and Staub are the standards, but there are other good ones as well.

And by the way, what you lose when you buy a cheaper cast iron pan of any kind is usually even thickness, absolute flatness on the bottom of the pan (your oil will drift to one side or the other and things will not cook evenly) and a nice not too rough not too smooth texture that allows great seasoning and non-stick qualities. A good quality well seasoned iron skillet is as non-stick as any teflon available.

What you get with a full set is a simple answer to all your needs, but you usually don't save any money. Instead, what you get is matching looks and a few extra perfectly good pans that you will never use. It's a judgement call what you want. Personally, I'd get one great pan at a time on a timeframe that you can afford. Gradually as you accumulate the nice pans, throw out the old ones.

BTW as an edit to this long post, if you feel like getting your hands dirty and being creative, you can enamel your own cast iron pans. Any good clay supply store in your area will have enamels that seal at about 800 degrees, many of which are certified non-toxic. If you know somebody with a kiln, or if the clay store offers firing you can paint on the enamel and do it yourself for much less than the cost of a Le Creuset.
 
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SPAM CONFETTI PASTA

Recipe By :
Serving Size : 6 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Main dish

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
Vegetable cooking spray
2 c Frozen corn, thawed
1 cn SPAM Luncheon Meat, cut in
-2″ strips (12 oz)
1 Red bell pepper, chopped
1 Green bell pepper, chopped
3/4 c Chopped red onion
1 1/2 c Whipping cream
2 tb Chili powder
1/4 t Pepper
12 oz Angel hair pasta, cooked
-and drained
2 Tomatoes, peeled and chopped
1/4 c Minced fresh cilantro

In skillet coated with cooking spray, saute corn, SPAM, bell peppers,
and onion over medium heat 5 minutes or until tender. Transfer
mixture to bowl; keep warm. To same skillet, add cream, chili powder,
and pepper. Bring to a boil; boil 5 minutes or until cream has
slightly thickened, stirring occasionally. Pour over pasta and toss
well. Spoon SPAM mixture over pasta. To serve, sprinkle with chopped
tomatoes and cilantro.

Great! Anything I can substitute for the SPAM!;) This is a real recipe right? I don't want to start making it and regret it.:D
 
FWIW:
I managed to purchase a piece of all-clad cookware made in China.:( I studied their website and had understood that only the lids come from China. I looked at the item in the store and the boxes near the display; all said made in USA, except the lids. Evidently I didn't see the box for the item I later bought online.

It seems that this stainless 12 QT stockpot with pasta and steamer inserts is considered a gourmet accessory, therefore made abroad. Needless to say it is going right back to the merchant.

When I looked at cookware the only 2 brands I could find that are made in the US are all-clad (with exceptions) and Lodge (with some exceptions).
 
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FWIW:
I managed to purchase a piece of all-clad cookware made in China.:( I studied their website and had understood that only the lids come from China. I looked at the item in the store and the boxes near the display; all said made in USA, except the lids. Evidently I didn't see the box for the item I bought.

It seems that this stainless 12 QT stockpot with pasta and steamer inserts is considered a gourmet accessory, therefore made aboard. Needless to say it is going right back to the merchant.

When I looked at cookware the only 2 brands I could find that are made in the US are all-clad (with exceptions) and Lodge (with some exceptions).

Did you ever end up checking out Paderno, their "Pots for Eternity" line is made in Prince Edward Island, Canada. A little background about the company here. Expensive but worth every penny in my opinion (if good enough for the president of the USA and prime minister of Canada, good enough for me :) )
 
Did you ever end up checking out Paderno, their "Pots for Eternity" line is made in Prince Edward Island, Canada. A little background about the company here. Expensive but worth every penny in my opinion (if good enough for the president of the USA and prime minister of Canada, good enough for me :) )

Yes, they are on my short list. I don't see that there are any US dealers so I need to call them to find out where the cookware is made. I don't want anything from China or Thailand and it seems that in the past four years almost all cookware manufacture has gone to one of those two countries. My friends who say they have cookware made in the US bought theirs earlier.

In some cases companies are sneaky in the way that they hide the country of origin. Meaning: assembled or designed in the US, but....
 
mckrob,
I don't believe that this was available when you first posted. Looks like their answer to all-clad copper. Made in PEI and at a fraction of the cost of the all-clad. I await their return email confirming origin. Seems your follow-up may have been well-timed.:)


http://www.paderno.com/can/products.php?catID=5&subID=59

Fusion5

After years of research and engineering, we introduce our latest cookware technology advance. We start with two exceptionally thick outer layersof stainless steel, then fuse them with 3 layers of inner core rapid-heat conductors. The result is an unbelievably even, efficient heat distributor in a stunning 5 ply cooking vessel. Made in Prince Edward Island, Paderno's Fusion 5 comes with an exceptional lifetime warranty.

Anyone have familiarity with this product?
 
Hating to re-beat a dead horse, but after our contact, I re-checked the Eternity line and it has the same descriptor as the Fusion 5: made in PEI. A few things have changed since I first visited their website: contact by email, etc. and perhaps this is another? I seemed to remember the Eternity had a lifetime warranty, now it is 25 years, but I can certainly be confused by now.

OTOH the "Copper Collection" makes no such statement---that it is made in PEI.

so you are quite possibly correct! No surprise?;)
 
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