Practical sword

Swords are shiny lovely toys. I love them. But

- if you want to wrangle, use fist.
- if you must fight, use firearm.
- if you want a tool for cutting branches, bread, general camping use, get a (long) bowie (or machette).

Oh, and

- if you're into Japanese samurai movies (I am, man!) go practice iaido or battojutsu. Sensei will tell you everything you'll need to know. And your girlfried/wife will be glad you have an exotic and cool freetime activity instead of thinking you are an dangerous idiot. :) And as a bonus you will look cool in hakama and gi.
 
While a sword isn't very practical, many of the sword techniques are. Miyamoto Musashi was said to have stopped using real swords in favour of a boken to make his duels more challenging, and he was just as deadly. Some sword techniques, or even just the awareness that training gives you, can be used with knives, sticks, bottles, ect.

Though chopping trees with a sword is unlikely to ever carry over to anything useful. If you want a sword, learn how to use it. And don't start with a real one, get a boken first so you dont kill yourself. I've hit myself in the head so many times with a boken that had it been a live blade, I'd have had a labotomy by now.
 
Swords aren't practical? Baloney. They're still terrific weapons. Handguns are king, of course, but if knives and sticks are still in play, then it's a big mistake to count swords out.
 
WeaselBites said:
Swords aren't practical? Baloney. They're still terrific weapons. Handguns are king, of course, but if knives and sticks are still in play, then it's a big mistake to count swords out.

I won't cout out even a sharpened pencil, if a determined guy jumps me with it in a hand, but knives and sticks are still in play only because they are cheap, silent and easy to come by, not because they are better than firearms in combat.
Well yes I've seen the video gun vs. knife :-) But imagine if both of the guys have the weapon out, not only the knifer - who wins?

I did some swordplay and a lot of fencing, so I'm not entirely uncomfortable with longer blades, but if you tell me that I've got to fight for my dear life in a sword vs. firearm duel under the same starting conditions, and I have to pick whether I'm the swordsman or the gunner, I'd always take the gun without second thought.

And what's more practical to carry, 3 feet long blade, or a pistol?
 
Again (and I hate repeating myself), I don't normally carry swords, but I do have them in the house and wouldn't hesitate to grab one if I had to. I don't carry a rifle, shotgun, tire thumper, shovel, machete, hatchet, Bowie knife, or fire extinguisher, either, but if one were at hand, I wouldn't hesitate to use it. And no one in his right mind would look at the results and say the weapon was not "practical."

An intruder creeping around your house with his gun out, like an assassin, would be a worst-case scenario. Granted, it would not be wise to try to grab a sword and attack the intruder. But in that case, you'd think two or three times before you went for a gun, too.

And if I happen to have the sword, and the gun is in the bad guy's pocket, I don't think he's going to get a shot off. Weapon choice here may not be as important as who hits first. Give me a free shot, and I'll take the sword.

The more important point is, lots of assaults are carried out with expedient weapons-- a kitchen knife, a screwdriver, or whatever's lying around at or near the scene of the crime. A sword would give you a tremendous advantage over a knife or club. It would be quite likely to save your life.

And here's the kicker: If you are assaulted with a knife or club, you are more likely to be seriously injured than if you are assaulted with a firearm. In fact, even if you are shot at by a criminal, you are several times more likely to be missed than hit. So-- are we threatened by weapons other than firearms? I think so. And do we have a fighting chance against even that most invincible weapon? I think so.

This is not to say I'd like to pick up a sword and have a duel with a pistol marksman, or that given my choice of weapon, I wouldn't choose a handgun (I would, usually). But the wisdom offered in this thread was that there is no such thing as a practical sword these days, which is just baloney. The sword still as fearsome a weapon as it ever was, and still better than most. The only ways it suffers by comparison with the handgun are range and portability.

I'll bet the same people who say swords are useless wouldn't hesitate to recommend martial arts training. It would never occur to them to tell people that their empty hands are no good because a criminal is just going to shoot you anyway. So the same people who would advise us to punch a deranged criminal into submission with our feeble fists would advise us that two or three feet of sharp steel is worthless.

Then there are ASPs, pepper sprays, kubotans, stun guns, and all the other weapons no one hesitates to offer civilians for self-defense. We've all seen assailants suck up the best such weapons have to give and keep fighting. In fact, these weapons are touted for being non-lethal, i.e., not terribly effective as weapons! And does anyone propose that they are useless? No, it's two or three feet of sharp steel that is useless. :rolleyes:

I wonder how many big combat knives such self-defense experts own, on average? Are these ever for a moment regarded as useless?

Anyway, the world news is full of stories that illustrate the practical uses to which a sword can be put these days. Let's just say that when the sword makes an appearance, the fight is usually about to be over.
 
I agree that swords don't seem very practical for "normal" use, but I am not exactly an expert on warfare. I will say, though, that I have sold a few of my swords to guys who are in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't normally ask what they are using them for, but I imagine they have their purposes. One gentleman who was, I believe, doing "private security" in Iraq said that a short sword carries all kinds of intimadation factor. He gave examples of responses he got from locals; aparently carrying a sword or a huge, scary knife attracted respect. I got the impression, while it would be used as a weapon if need be, one of his main reasons for carrying it was for confidence and "persuasion factor".
 
See? In a place where security personnel are supposed to look out for people and not injure them, we give the police tasers, collapsible batons, irritant sprays, and so on as alternatives to the firearm. In a war zone, they go for the damn-big-knife or sword. People are indeed intimidated by it. Doesn't that tell you all something?

What on Earth doesnt seem very practical about one of the most perennially deadly weapons ever invented?
 
Kumdo said:
I agree that swords don't seem very practical for "normal" use, but I am not exactly an expert on warfare.

Oh, here's where we may be missing each other's point. Swords are indeed not much good in "warfare" these days. (Neither are handguns or hand-to-hand combat, for that matter.) Repeating rifles and other innovations have pretty much driven them off the battlefield. I still think they're useful for home and personal defense.
 
WeaselBites said:
Oh, here's where we may be missing each other's point. Swords are indeed not much good in "warfare" these days. (Neither are handguns or hand-to-hand combat, for that matter.)

But yet our military trains in hand to hand combat and often carry handguns. I think, though, that we might be talking semantics. The term warfare isn't only about, say, large-scale invasions. I imagine there are times when a sword, particularly a short-ish "tactical" or "brush sword" may be handy to men and women in the military (or otherwise) who are in a war-type scenario (Iraq), or a hostile area where the term "war" may be used more loosely.
 
Yes, I agree. I think of "warfare" as the conduct of actual war, but yes, soldiers and private security in time of war may have to police a war zone, which is a different ballgame from the battlefield. And it's one where I'm not surprised that the big knife or sword is regarded as very practical indeed.
 
WeaselBites said:
Still, it is a very bad idea to get in the habit of chopping branches and 2x4's and so on with them, i.e., using them as an axe, because they will break, and when they do, sharp metal flies off in a random direction, and you or someone nearby might need to visit the hospital.

i've been doing that for years and mine's never broken or even been damage,
but i do use common sense if i know i can't chop something with it i always go for the axe or the chain saw

but i do know some machetes are cheap.

1-18 SBK Sawback Machete
all the way at the bottom
http://www.ontarioknife.com/milissue.html
had it for over 4 years now and it's still live kickin
 
WeaselBites said:
Give me a free shot, and I'll take the sword.

Well, as said before, with a gun you are OK if both have the same start, that was my point. :-)

Concerning the gentlemen in Iraq and other hot spots, if I understand it well, what they have really are long knives, say kodachi (wakizashi) or a long bowie, up to cca 18" and yes, as I said before this is a good and a handy all purpose thing.

But talking about a long sword I mean something close to 3 feet of length. :-)

One more and last thing - sword cutting is not an instinctive thing. I have seen some reenactors, all of them had some training in period swordsmanship with dull steel swords, who were having some sort of an cutting competition, slashing at straw bundles with a sharp sword.

Only one out of the ten people involved was really able to cut deep, the rest were just causing surface cuts, saying that "the sword was dull".
In fact they waved the sword rather like a club or an axe, without knowledge how to cut properly. So without a training one can't be effective damage dealer with a sword.

The gun is another story, once you hit, it doesn't matter if you are top marksman in the world or an old lady gardener. And knives we use daily so we know quite well how to slice.

OK, enough from me on this topic.
 
zephri said:
i've been doing that for years and mine's never broken or even been damage,

YET. OK, maybe I'm being too conservative, but even machetes do blow up.

but i do use common sense if i know i can't chop something with it i always go for the axe or the chain saw

Yep.

And who doesn't love Ontario machetes?
 
Id suggest Paul Chen's Hanwei line, the practical is like 200$, on up to 1,400 for the more traditional ones. I have three, and ive put my practical through hell and it only has a minor bend (by hell i mean a 4x4 fencepost). and its the lowest quality sword Paul Chen makes.
 
alberich said:
One more and last thing - sword cutting is not an instinctive thing. I have seen some reenactors, all of them had some training in period swordsmanship with dull steel swords, who were having some sort of an cutting competition, slashing at straw bundles with a sharp sword.

Only one out of the ten people involved was really able to cut deep, the rest were just causing surface cuts, saying that "the sword was dull".
In fact they waved the sword rather like a club or an axe, without knowledge how to cut properly. So without a training one can't be effective damage dealer with a sword.

I've seen the same thing in an Aikdo class. The sensei arranged for a tamishigiri session. We all used the same sword -- some could cut with it, some couldn't.
 
Triton said:
I've read articles that suggest that the "sword breaker" is simply a myth of victorian romance and medieval revival. I don't know that I've ever seen an original...


Ditto. Never seen a real one.
 
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