Practicality of the shotgun..

I find it odd to see so many of you saying you like the 20 because it has less recoil. In every 20g i've shot I have found the recoil to be much "sharper" and subsequently more painfull/less pleasant to shoot.
 
hmmmm... i dont feel too much " love " for the 16 ga.
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Browning A-5 "Sweet Sixteen" I love it and get all nostalgic once and a while. I take it out on one or two waterfowl hunts a year with a waxed cotton jacket and my wool pants and old rubber hip boots.

The only problem is getting shells for it locally.
 
Funny, I was just thinking of the 16, and how many guys said it was the real sweet spot in shotguns. But of course, no shells available for it any more.
 
16 is ballistically the One True shotgun caliber. Unfortunately, it's almost dead. It's a shame, because it's got the most potential out of all of the available ones. But... just not going to go there.
 
The .410, on the other hand, is a qauge I've never seen recommended by anyone for responsible hunting use in any type of wingshooting. There is just not enough pattern density to guarantee a lethal hit at normal hunting ranges.
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I have killed geese, ducks, deer .all type of small game and a 500#feral pony with a 410 single shot I was taught the limits of it and stayed inside those limits I set my dad up to kill a turkey (he was in bad health and that was about all the recoil he could handle)
I like a single for a foraging gun because I can switch from shot to slugs or buckshot quick and quietly
If I could get brenneke slugs and #4 buckshot in 28 ga. I wouldn't shoot much else
Moon
I had a young man hunting hunting with us a while back make the statement that he would shoot on the down side of me to clean up all the rabbits that got by me with my little pea shooter.( 28 gauge single shot)we were hunting over beagles I told him that was fine but I was catching my dogs when some one got their limit He never fire a shot :D
Jeff I have a tamer20 just coundn't get to liking that stock I put a regular choatestock on mine and a survivor fore arm I love it now.
I still have that stock laying around some where
roy
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Flipincanadian said:
I find it odd to see so many of you saying you like the 20 because it has less recoil. In every 20g i've shot I have found the recoil to be much "sharper" and subsequently more painfull/less pleasant to shoot.
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Hi,

Reading your description of shooting a 20ga. what I see is someone who has shot some ill-fitted piece.

You use the word "sharper" for example. Generally when people provide that complaint it means they are experiencing "cheek slap" . This is were the top/side of the comb jumps up and hits you on the cheek bone. It's caused either by a comb profile that doesn't fit your face or poor shooting form.

The painful and unpleasant impressions may stem from the fact that the stock generally does not fit you. Length of pull could be too long or too short. Like a 6ft6in 250lbs man shooting a youth model.

Could be too much drop or not enough drop. Old vintage SxS's like L.C. Smith's just as an example, often have very large amount of drop as compared to our straighter more modern guns. Old time shooters shot from a more head erect posture vs. our modern head down, lean into the shot form today.

The cast could be wrong for you. As a lefty, I can tell you that most European guns really bite to shoot. Because they are mostly bent for a right handed shooter. I've had to pass on a lot of sweet guns because I didn't think I could bend the wood back enough without breaking the stock. Nor could I afford to have them restocked.

I ain't saying you need to like 20ga's. Just trying to help you understand what might be causing your dislike for them.


dalee
 
midnite-penguin said:
I'm going to purchase a shotgun shortly for hunting purposes(probably a Remington 870).

Would a 20g put me at a disadvantage for hunting Deer?

Thanks.
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Well, put it in perspective; a 20 gauge is 69 caliber. The old Hawkin guns were 50 and 54 generally. The civil war Springfields were .58. The old buffalo guns were Sharpes 50-70's, also called Old Reliable. So a .69 caliber chunk of lead with modern smokeless powder pushing it downrange is nothing to sneeze at.

If a deer can be taken with a 40 pound recurve bow, I can't see how a .69 caliber slug is that bad.
 
no problem at all.

.30-30 muzzle energy- around 1900-2000 foot pounds.

20 ga. remington buckhammer: 2200 foot pounds.

(I use the 30-30 for comparison because it's generally not though of as a 150 yard huntign caliber. if you really wnat to hunt past 100 yards, look at a rifle)
 
moonwilson said:
In a word- yes. :p Can you kill a deer with a 20ga.? Yup, you sure can. But the 20ga is less powerful, puts less lead downrange than a 12ga- so yes, you would be at a disadvantage if you picked a 20 over a 12.
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mw, I have to respectfully decline. If you can't kill a deer with this within 150yds you shouldn't be hunting...its massive power:

Hornady - 20 Gauge 250 gr. SST Slug

Velocity/Energy/Trajectory

Muzzle 1800/1798/-1.5

50 yd 1628/1471/2.5

100 yd 1470/1200/3.3

150 yd 1331/983/0

200 yd 1212/815/-8.2

I've see dozen's of deer taken with a .357, and this round puts more energy 200yds down range...
 
koyote said:
no problem at all.

.30-30 muzzle energy- around 1900-2000 foot pounds.

20 ga. remington buckhammer: 2200 foot pounds.

(I use the 30-30 for comparison because it's generally not though of as a 150 yard huntign caliber. if you really wnat to hunt past 100 yards, look at a rifle)
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Exactly, And the .20 ga. is probably running 100 grains more in projectile weight too. Making it a deer killen machine.

I have a .20 ga that I don't like shooting a lot of targets with, at around 6 lbs. it just hurts to shoot a lot, thats with target loads. On the other hand I never notice it while I'm grouse hunting using 3" buffered 6s.

.28 gauges are just to fun, I don't use mine as much anymore because of the nontox shot laws for National forest. .20 ga is just easier to come by.

As for 12, two worst I've shot as far as making you want to cry are the Remington Super slugger with 2 3/4" or 3" and the Beretta 1201 with anything.

I swear you can feel the slug twisting down the rifling on the SS. Nothing you want to put more then five rounds down range with. Smokes whitetail hard.:thumbup:

The Beretta 1201 is another 6 pounder or so and semi auto to boot. If your man enough you can empty 6 rounds in 3 or 4 seconds but you'll pay. I actually had a guy at the range tell me it looked like I was getting man handled by it. I loaded up 4 rounds of 3" slugs, said give it a go. He shot it twice and put it down shaking his head and went back to his business.:D

Trap shooting is always fun and I have a few 1100s for that. Anyone could put 200 trap rounds threw my main trap gun with no issues at all, she's a ported tank with a Jack West stock on it.

My do all 12 ga. is my Win. model 12. Mod. choked, first shotgun I ever shot. It's shot lots of clay target, ducks, geese, grouse and even a deer with it.

I need a Mossberg 590, that's just a tough as nails reliable gun from what I read, that and you can fit a bayonet on it. :eek::cool:
 
I love the 590A1...that's a "must have" in my book, right along with the unstoppable AK.
 
If you really want kicked, try my 18" Ithaca featherlight 12 with high brass #4s. Mine has no recoil pad. The model 37s listed at 6.8 lbs.Pretty light for a 12 pump.
 
midnite-penguin said:
I'm going to purchase a shotgun shortly for hunting purposes(probably a Remington 870).

Would a 20g put me at a disadvantage for hunting Deer?

Thanks.
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Not if you use a slug, and practice till you can put it in a pie plate at whatever ranges you will be hunting at. Sabot or Brennekke, you will kill deer.
 
plumberroy said:
Jeff I have a tamer20 just coundn't get to liking that stock I put a regular choatestock on mine and a survivor fore arm I love it now.
I still have that stock laying around some where
roy
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That's a nice set-up with the conventional style stock. I'll bet it "tames" the Tamer, especially with sabots. :D

Jeff
 
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