Practically no knife privileges in NYC - Here's why.

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I'm all for blaming the government for stupid knife laws that personally affect me but maybe it's not all their fault. Maybe it's the peoples fault. The thought came to me on a crowded subway the other day.:barf:

If you gave everyone a pocket knife on that subway, there would surly be a problem. The stress levels are way to high
and people don't know how to control themselves. They're like zombies that can awake with the slightest provocation.
Eventually somebody would get cut who would normally just go home with bruised ego.

Not only that, but most city folk don't respect or really know what a knife is actually for (a tool etc...) they'd be more likely
to pull it out to show a friend than for a good reason. Thus ensuing panic in those around them. (In other words, ignorance leads
to panic and city official don't want panic) That's why if a cop sees a knife clip on your pocket, they will stop you and
probably ticket you for menacing the public (not to mention take your knife).:thumbdn:

So while the city says these laws are meant to protect the people, what they may be saying is that people in nyc act too stupid to carry a knife.
I hate to admit it but they might be right. :mad:

I wish there were exceptions for those of us that mean to do well, know how and when to use a knife, and when to keep it in your pocket.:thumbup:
 
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On my class trip (12th grade) we went to NYC, and I carried a pardue benchmade the whole time. Never knew NYC was so stringent about that sort of thing until a few weeks ago. I'm lucky I didn't get stopped I suppose.
 
The laws are very vague in NYC and often up to the police. I know you can carry a small folding knife but it has to stay concealed. But they do find it and it looks nasty, they'll probably want to know why you have it. I use mine for work but who knows if that even matters.
 
In NSW if I was caught carrying a 2" Vic Classic SAK with no reason for carrying it("just incase" doesn't cut it), I could be be facing criminal charges/prison time if it is my second time doing this. We have the best laws huh?
 
Roger999 said:
In NSW if I was caught carrying a 2" Vic Classic SAK with no reason for carrying it("just incase" doesn't cut it), I could be be facing criminal charges/prison time if it is my second time doing this. We have the best laws huh?
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You gotta be kidding me...
 
Thought experiment: If EVERYONE was required by LAW to hold a razorsharp 7" bladed dagger while on the subway, do you think people would be more or less polite to each other?
 
Roger999 said:
In NSW if I was caught carrying a 2" Vic Classic SAK with no reason for carrying it("just incase" doesn't cut it), I could be be facing criminal charges/prison time if it is my second time doing this. We have the best laws huh?
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Boy have you got that one wrong. It is not illegal to carry an appropriate knife in any State of Australia provided you have a legitimate reason for carrying it - the exception being in a school. A legitimate reason would include using it to cut open the plastic wrap of items you buy, peeling an apple or any of a myriad of other everyday tasks including cutting off a torn fingernail. A SAK would be considered appropriate for these everyday tasks even in the UK. But saying "just in case" can and probably will be interpreted as for SD and that's a no no in most Western jurisdictions.
 
philwar said:
Thought experiment: If EVERYONE was required by LAW to hold a razorsharp 7" bladed dagger while on the subway, do you think people would be more or less polite to each other?
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As long as they weren't high on crystal meth or off their anti-psychotic medication.

Here's another thought experiment. Would people drive more carefully if the driver's seatbelt was replaced by a 7" spike in the centre of the steering wheel?
 
To the OP, I have posted hundreds of times the NYC law, and most recently in the post I link to below ( please read it I think you will find it interesting). I was a die hard Second Amendment person, then I got involved in law enforcement in NYC. I hate to admit that contrary to other parts of the Nation, NYC is better off with less people being armed in any way. NYC has always had a very violent culture to it, and people are put in situations and under stresses that don't exist else where. Here is the link:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681153
 
Roger999 said:
In NSW if I was caught carrying a 2" Vic Classic SAK with no reason for carrying it("just incase" doesn't cut it), I could be be facing criminal charges/prison time if it is my second time doing this. We have the best laws huh?
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That's why I would take a detour or anything to avoid NSW. NSW's knife laugh's are laughable, even Australia's scale. Luckily my GF livesin Queensland that has more sensible knife laws. At least you can carry SAK in pocket without being affraid of over-protective-nanny-laws what NSW has. The Australia's current government has brought knife-o-fobia from the British Isles... Maybe I need it as my weork for IT-support person is enough? Oh, well, Maybe I should consider getting knifeless Leatherman Fusion for my australian trip.
 
antonio_luiz said:
Boy have you got that one wrong. It is not illegal to carry an appropriate knife in any State of Australia provided you have a legitimate reason for carrying it - the exception being in a school. A legitimate reason would include using it to cut open the plastic wrap of items you buy, peeling an apple or any of a myriad of other everyday tasks including cutting off a torn fingernail. A SAK would be considered appropriate for these everyday tasks even in the UK. But saying "just in case" can and probably will be interpreted as for SD and that's a no no in most Western jurisdictions.
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If you did not use the SAK for anything that day, then you wouldn't have any excuse. I said if I was carrying a Vic classic with no excuse.
 
tom19176 said:
To the OP, I have posted hundreds of times the NYC law, and most recently in the post I link to below ( please read it I think you will find it interesting). I was a die hard Second Amendment person, then I got involved in law enforcement in NYC. I hate to admit that contrary to other parts of the Nation, NYC is better off with less people being armed in any way. NYC has always had a very violent culture to it, and people are put in situations and under stresses that don't exist else where. Here is the link:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681153
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Good debate raging on that thread. Very interesting as you said. Thanx.
 
I didn't realize that carrying a tool was a privilege that needed to be regulated by the government be it local, state or federal. The problem with this line of thinking is the one bad apple spoils the whole bunch mentality, under which premise we should immediately outlaw all vehicles, hammers, baseball bats, and countless other items which have the potential to be improperly used and have a history of being used in a malicious manner by a criminal with intent to menace or inflict bodily harm or death. Vehicles are a prime example of this as vehicle fatalities are the leading cause of death here in the United States and in most civilized countries aside from health problems such as disease. Problem is take away people and not vehicles don't kill people, people kill people. They kill them with hammers, cars, trucks, poisons, medicine, ignorance, stupidity, their fist, blunt objects, boards, baseball bats, tire irons, etc.

The problem here is huge and must be looked at from a macro perspective and it vast beyond what we have time here to discuss, such as single parents mainly no Father, no faith in anything other than themselves or the government, drugging our children and ourselves, chemical dependency, victim mentality, the fact that lawyers control every aspect of our daily lives both civil and criminal, the fact that the majority of our politicians are lawyers who by nature span to profit most from the laws and their the ones writing them NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE, naw, none. The list goes on almost without end with each topic and its their ramifications or implications on society capable of being expounded upon for a books worth of pages each.

While I agree it is the fault of the people it is not the fault of the people in the way that you describe, its the peoples fault for not educating themselves, not raising their children but letting the state do it, for people allowing their elected officials to take this country in the wrong direction. This list goes on forever as well. We have got to return to common sense, reason and logic which has been thrown out of the window with the new age of NEW AGE, political correctness and everyone thinking their a sidewalk lawyer.

This is insanity and unless somethings change and change in a hurry will no stop until the people are left naked and bloody in the street in which case many already have. Refer back to the post in this thread whereby someone points out that just in case would leave the cops to think your carrying for SELF DEFENSE which is a no no. This goes back to the original posters thought that carrying a knife a privilege which would then lead to the conclusion that protecting ones self or self defense is already viewed as privilege by the authorities in Australia as a NO NO. That line of illogical rubbish is so flawed and tainted that it is insulting to ones intelligence as the mental gymnastics required to arrive at the thought process that protecting ones self is a NO NO and is best left up the authorities is utterly sick and freakishly perverse.

Until we start seriously punishing the people who commit the crimes instead of the instrument, item or other inanimate object that was used in the act we are missing the entire point. Ban everything it won't matter their will still be crime and murders because people are the root source of the problem not inanimate objects. As long as we have a global system of liberal lawyer and media driven ideology that turns the perpetrator into the victim and then demonizes the inanimate object we will continue to head down this path of self destruction. People who commit these heinous crimes aren't punished anymore their turned into media driven celebrities, given countless hours of free air time, sent to cushy prison, turned into a victim from something horrible that allegedly happened to them earlier in life. Then sent to a jail where they have cable tv, climate controlled living quarters, internet access, law library access, etc, get a book and or movie deal we are screwed. All the while the good hardworking, tax paying decent members of society are continually having their rights and privileges stripped from them for a bad acts committed by a fraction of the members of society. Look at the crime numbers and then compare those numbers to overall population and tell me I'm wrong. The overwhelming super majority of the population are law abiding decent people and yet they are contiually suffering because of the behaviors of the few bad seeds.

I have to stop because I need to get back to work, but wake up man, wake up.
 
Privilege was the wrong word on my part - and it bothers me that i didn't catch it. I guess you stand in shit long enough and you start not to smell it. Okay, now that i'm awake, Mike does raise a whole bunch of great points. You see, my feet are on the ground in that subway everyday. And he's looking at the issue from 30,000 feet.

For me I guess the issue is complicated and compounded by the close quarters, large population of the city, the ignorance of people and knives (i would argue that most people think they are weapons here) and the fact that there are more than a few bad seeds on the subways. They keep box cutters under lock and key in stores for god sakes - and i'm glad about it. Now I'm not making excuses for people. They do need to be held responsible. But there needs to be a short term solution while we work on the long term one Mike is talking about.

This may be the "wrong way to think" But for arguments sake lets say we hung swords on the walls of the subway. There would be more stupid killings and murders over stupid things because many people (not just a few bad seeds) don't know how to act. What's the remedy? Hold people accountable for sure. But at the end of the day, i would still take down those swords.

My problem is how can law abiding, responsible people exercise their rights in this kind of climate? Does that go right to Mike's point about having to make some drastic changes?
 
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