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Practically no knife privileges in NYC - Here's why.
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If you're that dissatisfied with your environment, why don't you just move? There are plenty of areas in the Lower 48 where you will not encounter these problems. Of course you'll encounter *other* problems, but not these.
Do you not realize that the majority of people in metro environments disagree with you?
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Popopine, let me try and explain this another way. I promise you that on those subway trains everyday are people who have an "illegal knife" in their pocket or on their person. They quietly go on about their business and carry their knife for whatever reason they deem worthy. If someone bumps them, no big deal, they don't hack everyone up, in fact they probably don't even think about drawing their knife. Why, because its a tool not a weapon.
My point is this, these people are decent law abiding tax paying citizens and yet their demonized as is their knife for the actions of the few bad apples. This is exactly opposite of how it should be, the criminals should be punished. Not the instrument or object used in the crime, nor should the good be punished with the criminal, the good didn't do anything, the knife didn't do anything the individual did.
This whole philosophy as outlined above does nothing to address the real underlying problems and is the definition of insanity which is continuing to do the same behavior over and over expecting different results. Like I said ban everything your still gonna have crime, why because your still going to have criminals. You may have gotten rid of everything else but the criminal is still there. It is really kinda simple but we have allowed our elected officials to take us down the primrose path of political correctness mainly at the whims of the metropolitans among us. These people fail to understand that not everyone lives in a crime ridden cess pool we now deem a megalopolis. These large metropolitan areas would not be in the shape their in if it were not for their elected officials buying into the leftist ideology known as political correctness.
Everything in our cultural has been politicized including the weather (global warming) and most recently the NFL with the Rush Limbaugh thing. These are things much like the 6 year old who brought his cub scout mess kit utensil to school and was going to be suspended for 45 days and perhaps sent to reform school. Seriously, have we gotten to this point, we have. Another case in point the two firefighters who recently rescued the little boy from the burning car the flipped over in a residential neighborhood, both of these first responders (God Bless Them All) had to ask passers by if someone had a knife on them so they could cut the little loose and keep him from burning to death. Both of these individuals should have at least one knife each on them, but they were off duty and probably scared to break the local knife laws all the while little kids are burning, criminals are still roaming free but the masses feel safe lulled into a false sense of security by their Dear Leaders.
Main problem is that people are now being treated as subjects by their own elected officials as opposed to a free citizenry. This goes back to banishment mentality of, well although we have 330 million people we've got 10,000 stabbings a year so ban knives, even though only 0.00003 percent of the population choose to use them improperly. A more staggering figure would be to see how many times a year knives are used for purposes other than criminal activity.
Mindnumbing, this is lunacy of the highest order.
My point is this, these people are decent law abiding tax paying citizens and yet their demonized as is their knife for the actions of the few bad apples. This is exactly opposite of how it should be, the criminals should be punished. Not the instrument or object used in the crime, nor should the good be punished with the criminal, the good didn't do anything, the knife didn't do anything the individual did.
This whole philosophy as outlined above does nothing to address the real underlying problems and is the definition of insanity which is continuing to do the same behavior over and over expecting different results. Like I said ban everything your still gonna have crime, why because your still going to have criminals. You may have gotten rid of everything else but the criminal is still there. It is really kinda simple but we have allowed our elected officials to take us down the primrose path of political correctness mainly at the whims of the metropolitans among us. These people fail to understand that not everyone lives in a crime ridden cess pool we now deem a megalopolis. These large metropolitan areas would not be in the shape their in if it were not for their elected officials buying into the leftist ideology known as political correctness.
Everything in our cultural has been politicized including the weather (global warming) and most recently the NFL with the Rush Limbaugh thing. These are things much like the 6 year old who brought his cub scout mess kit utensil to school and was going to be suspended for 45 days and perhaps sent to reform school. Seriously, have we gotten to this point, we have. Another case in point the two firefighters who recently rescued the little boy from the burning car the flipped over in a residential neighborhood, both of these first responders (God Bless Them All) had to ask passers by if someone had a knife on them so they could cut the little loose and keep him from burning to death. Both of these individuals should have at least one knife each on them, but they were off duty and probably scared to break the local knife laws all the while little kids are burning, criminals are still roaming free but the masses feel safe lulled into a false sense of security by their Dear Leaders.
Main problem is that people are now being treated as subjects by their own elected officials as opposed to a free citizenry. This goes back to banishment mentality of, well although we have 330 million people we've got 10,000 stabbings a year so ban knives, even though only 0.00003 percent of the population choose to use them improperly. A more staggering figure would be to see how many times a year knives are used for purposes other than criminal activity.
Mindnumbing, this is lunacy of the highest order.
These type of fear mongering laws disgust me. I'll never understand what makes anyone think they have the right to decide what another law abiding citizen can own/carry/conceal. Saying that New Yorkers are better off with strict weapons laws is ludicrous, nothing good will ever come of taking away someone's rights. will it prevent some heat of the moment crimes? sure, but at what cost? we all know freedom is never free, and sometimes people have to die to protect it whether in war or right here at home. it is very easy to lose our rights, and nearly impossible to regain them once lost. and what is the outcome? a nation of cowards who are terrified of their own shadows and dependent upon the government to protect and coddle them. If criminals cared about laws then they wouldn't be criminals. these disgusting laws only punish people who respect the law to begin with. If a human being wants to kill another human being they will always be able to improvise a deadly weapon, one only has to look to our prison system to see that. And the final result of it all? a nation of disarmed citizens (sheep) which only emboldens the criminals (wolves) and overburdens the police (sheepdogs) who are trying to protect the increasingly impotent masses. I'd rather die as the victim of the rare gun/knife wielding maniac than see 300 million Americans and untold generations of our descendants lose the right to defend ourselves.
I agreeits not The Government's fault
LOL!
Well somewhere along the lines people do have to take a step back
and take a look at the greater picture. We can't all just point fingers
at the man on top. Everything good and bad that affects the people
is a result of the actions of society as a whole. Yes, in the end it
could be the person on top making the calls, but don't forget that
person came from the people and were elected by the people.
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Very well said. I just book-marked this post. It sums up my feelings precisely.
there was a thread about this a while back dont remember it though. seems to me that if your closed knife is big enough to use as a weapon then the blade must be large, (most of my folders I can conceal mostly with my hand) and standing in the court as the "bad guy" (yes I know innocent until proven guilty but from these nuts dont expect that) and nobody can prove it wasnt opened or whatever
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A couple of posters have made points better than I ever could. I would like to add one thing though. There is never a good excuse for the Government, at any level, to disarm the citizenry.
Never.
Never.
Nebulae, in almost all parts of the country, anything used as a weapon ( other than a part of your body-hand, foot, elbow) will result in a weapons charge. On a Saturday night where there are a lot of night clubs in an area, the most fequent object that ends up being called a weapon is the good old beer bottle.....
I too am a strong Second Amendment adovcate, but the highest function of a human is the ability to learn and develope view points from real life experiences. I was one who felt the need for a firearms permit of any kind was in direct violation to the exact wording of the Second Amenedment, and that any ban on a weapon was wrong. I most likely would still feel that way if I did not grow up in a bad part of NYC, and then enter law enforcement in the same city. I am not looking to win over anyone or change their views, and if I retire and move to PA or FL, I may be feeling like you all do again ( I am a life time NRA memeber), but as for NYC, I think we need some weapon control and restrcitions in place ( not to the extreme they are now though).
I too am a strong Second Amendment adovcate, but the highest function of a human is the ability to learn and develope view points from real life experiences. I was one who felt the need for a firearms permit of any kind was in direct violation to the exact wording of the Second Amenedment, and that any ban on a weapon was wrong. I most likely would still feel that way if I did not grow up in a bad part of NYC, and then enter law enforcement in the same city. I am not looking to win over anyone or change their views, and if I retire and move to PA or FL, I may be feeling like you all do again ( I am a life time NRA memeber), but as for NYC, I think we need some weapon control and restrcitions in place ( not to the extreme they are now though).
Most cops would not pass up the chance to make a felony weapons arrest, especially if he/she was behind on their monthly quota.
Paxton Quigley, the author of an armed self-defense book titled "Armed and Female" used to share that same city-dweller, anti-weapon, liberal attitude. Until the night that she was attacked and raped. Where were the police? Probably at the local donut shop, stuffing their fat faces or falling asleep in a cruiser on a paid ($35+ an hour) detail. She became pro-weapon after this unfortunate incident and we can be glad to have her on our side. She is now an NRA certified instructor.
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Popopine, thanks for the kind words and glad I could help. One thing to remember is that rights such as being able to carry a pocket knife are big picture issues which require a big picture perspective. Part of the reason were in the mess were in as a nation is that these things are all too often addressed by elected officials on the micro level (individual incident basis).
Take care
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I may not have a popular view, but I think some reasonable carry restrictions are not a terrible compromise. Not that I'm in favour of them, but I'd rather that than a total ban. I remember buying a SAK in Tokyo and the shopkeeper told me to watch out for police on the way home 