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pre '86 307?
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It may not be a "pre 86" knife, because none of the Camillus made Bucks ever had the date codes, which causes some sellers to think all Camillus made Bucks are "pre 86".
After Buck began making the 301,303,305, and 309's in house, Camillus still made Buck slipjoints in other models long after 1986.
The 307 IIRC, was still made until 1999.
There has been a virtual flood of NIB Camillus made Bucks, especially 307's hit Ebay after the Camillus liquidation auction, I bought one with that same box earlier this year, still in the plastic wrap with original warranty paperwork inside.
After Buck began making the 301,303,305, and 309's in house, Camillus still made Buck slipjoints in other models long after 1986.
The 307 IIRC, was still made until 1999.
There has been a virtual flood of NIB Camillus made Bucks, especially 307's hit Ebay after the Camillus liquidation auction, I bought one with that same box earlier this year, still in the plastic wrap with original warranty paperwork inside.
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This thread is making me feel tribal, almost like the folks of the 110 clan.........everybody giving - 'sounds good to me information'.
This Camillus close-down effect has muddied the water on several models as Bear Claw says so buy all old stuff with squinting eye.....It's surprising how many sellers are up around the NE area.
Plumb, lets all agree to call your picture a "middle" version of the 307, of three. Some of this version were produced by Camillus before the 'Buck' version, some a few years after the shield was dumped, in order to finish up contract numbers. And then again here at the end when Camillus was cleaning out the storage closests. Sort of a long drawn out production. Some other models have incorrect rivets from the 'clean-out' production effort. Eyeball the top of that finger groove carefully for length, the shadows are making it look long.
The box is a Buck box but I agree with STDK that it is not the first type of box this particular version came in, but it may have had several types over its long offical production.
I would say the one pictured is like buying a new car with hail damage...........but some of the contract finishing 'offical' production may have shipped out in those boxes as the model offically came to its end and they used up old boxes. This 'stretching' of a version occurred because the 307 was not taken in-house by Buck at the end of the Buck shield era. This contract finishing occurred after 1989 and ended in 98/99 as BCCL says.
Does the tribe agree ?
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Out of time line order. Back: first model, Middle: last model, Front: Most common ' stretched middle' model
This Camillus close-down effect has muddied the water on several models as Bear Claw says so buy all old stuff with squinting eye.....It's surprising how many sellers are up around the NE area.
Plumb, lets all agree to call your picture a "middle" version of the 307, of three. Some of this version were produced by Camillus before the 'Buck' version, some a few years after the shield was dumped, in order to finish up contract numbers. And then again here at the end when Camillus was cleaning out the storage closests. Sort of a long drawn out production. Some other models have incorrect rivets from the 'clean-out' production effort. Eyeball the top of that finger groove carefully for length, the shadows are making it look long.
The box is a Buck box but I agree with STDK that it is not the first type of box this particular version came in, but it may have had several types over its long offical production.
I would say the one pictured is like buying a new car with hail damage...........but some of the contract finishing 'offical' production may have shipped out in those boxes as the model offically came to its end and they used up old boxes. This 'stretching' of a version occurred because the 307 was not taken in-house by Buck at the end of the Buck shield era. This contract finishing occurred after 1989 and ended in 98/99 as BCCL says.
Does the tribe agree ?
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Out of time line order. Back: first model, Middle: last model, Front: Most common ' stretched middle' model
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Yep, mine is the "middle" version in the front of your picture 300'.
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I have one which is in the same box and looks the same as the one I posted and the finger groove is longer than the front one in your picture. It extends further towards the tip, right up against the grind (swedge?) on the top of the blade, almost touching it. The groove also appears to be further down from the back of the blade.
I believe that the box has to be from no earlier than 2001. It's printed on four sides with the "Outdoor", "Tactical", "Hunting Fishing" and "Everyday" classifications and the first time I see knives classed that way in the catalog is in 2001.
I have one which is in the same box and looks the same as the one I posted and the finger groove is longer than the front one in your picture. It extends further towards the tip, right up against the grind (swedge?) on the top of the blade, almost touching it. The groove also appears to be further down from the back of the blade.
I believe that the box has to be from no earlier than 2001. It's printed on four sides with the "Outdoor", "Tactical", "Hunting Fishing" and "Everyday" classifications and the first time I see knives classed that way in the catalog is in 2001.
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Thanks Plumb,
Good info for records. I said the statement about the long groove because I wondered if those might be 'unacceptable' length setbacks for Buck contract knives, and would be another issues of post contract assembled knives. But thats getting really technical isn't it. Joe, would just shake his head and shrug his shoulders I bet a nickle.
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Good info for records. I said the statement about the long groove because I wondered if those might be 'unacceptable' length setbacks for Buck contract knives, and would be another issues of post contract assembled knives. But thats getting really technical isn't it. Joe, would just shake his head and shrug his shoulders I bet a nickle.
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You may be on to something though, mine is NIB, but the shield looks like it was put on by a trained chimp.
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I'm wondering if the blades were left over from pre-'86 but not assembled until just a few years ago to be sold out?
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Yes,yes and maybe.
What BCCL and I were thread talking was that,
One: Offical production on Bucks contract with Camillus may have gone on as long as 98. During this time boxes changed twice or three times, so you could have a 1970s 307 in a ole yellar box and a 90s 307 in the next to the current style box. All of them offical.
Two: Camillus may have used parts as the shutdown was progressing and they were building an selling stuff made of leftovers.
When I mentioned the extra long nail nic I was wondering if that was a reject blade from the 70,80,90 offical production. Assembled in the 2000's into a knife body. Plumb i thought you said you had one with a extra long nic from several years before close-down so maybe that is not the case.
On the 307s its buyer beware, bottom line. If you want to be certain you have a Buck authorized production, get one with a nail nic that doesn't go almost to the edge of the blade. Just to be sure....dead dog sure......look at the ones in the photos, they are pre 2000s.
STDK, there is a yellow handled version also. I have one with knife,bolt and hammer scale plate and won't put money down on there is NOT a yellow scale with BUCK escutcheon. Always watching. (As will 200 other peole NOW)
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Yes,yes and maybe.
What BCCL and I were thread talking was that,
One: Offical production on Bucks contract with Camillus may have gone on as long as 98. During this time boxes changed twice or three times, so you could have a 1970s 307 in a ole yellar box and a 90s 307 in the next to the current style box. All of them offical.
Two: Camillus may have used parts as the shutdown was progressing and they were building an selling stuff made of leftovers.
When I mentioned the extra long nail nic I was wondering if that was a reject blade from the 70,80,90 offical production. Assembled in the 2000's into a knife body. Plumb i thought you said you had one with a extra long nic from several years before close-down so maybe that is not the case.
On the 307s its buyer beware, bottom line. If you want to be certain you have a Buck authorized production, get one with a nail nic that doesn't go almost to the edge of the blade. Just to be sure....dead dog sure......look at the ones in the photos, they are pre 2000s.
STDK, there is a yellow handled version also. I have one with knife,bolt and hammer scale plate and won't put money down on there is NOT a yellow scale with BUCK escutcheon. Always watching. (As will 200 other peole NOW)
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Just drug out the ol' book, and the 307 was still in production until 1998.
None of these Camillus made knives, even up to then, will have a Buck date code on them. Those were only used on model actually made at Buck starting in 1986.
None of these Camillus made knives, even up to then, will have a Buck date code on them. Those were only used on model actually made at Buck starting in 1986.
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300, I think another BCCI life member has what you describe (a yellow handle) w/ knife,bolt and hammer shield that he bought in the mid 1980's. I4Bucks. Maybe he'll be along to substantiate my post. Thanks for this discussion guys as I have the front model and have wondered about its age. DM
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I'm sorry I was not showing photos, my mistake...300Bucks
Yellow Scale 307, only yellow version 307 I possess or have photo of. (hint)
Heres a second group photo with oldest in center, notice the white material on the scale that is a chemical 'degassing' of old Delrin. You can soak knife in mineral oil give it a good soap and water scrubbing and a little oil and get rid of most of that.
Yellow Scale 307, only yellow version 307 I possess or have photo of. (hint)
Heres a second group photo with oldest in center, notice the white material on the scale that is a chemical 'degassing' of old Delrin. You can soak knife in mineral oil give it a good soap and water scrubbing and a little oil and get rid of most of that.
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I have a question on this pattern - the large Stockman: I have a Remington 9501, that I'm fairly certain is made by Camillus; the pins sit a little proud of the polished bolsters. It has the same long nail pull of the main blade on the bottom 307 in post #18, and the two secondaries have regular pulls. It has yellow/green Delrin scales, and slanted bolsters. If it had black Delrin scales, it would be identical to that 307.
Did Camillus make these during the same period of time, and if so, who else did they make this pattern for?
One last thing - are the pivot pins steel? It seems that almost every recent Camillus slipjoint I've seen has the pins noticeably visible in the bolsters. Steel would obviously wear (during polishing) slower than the nickel bolster material.
thx - cpr
Did Camillus make these during the same period of time, and if so, who else did they make this pattern for?
One last thing - are the pivot pins steel? It seems that almost every recent Camillus slipjoint I've seen has the pins noticeably visible in the bolsters. Steel would obviously wear (during polishing) slower than the nickel bolster material.
thx - cpr