Preventing problems if knives get to school.

Medic
That is not very common from what I have seen. In fact, I would not go to a school like that if there was any viable alternative at all. Random searches in class when you are required to be in class is bullshit. Its about like saying everyone in school is a criminal that has to check in with the parole officer.

Zero tolerance rules are a joke when it comes to the athletes and all the big school groups, I definitely agree with that. But the common student will get fried for the smallest infraction every time regardless of grades or past behavior. There have been countless people expelled for things left in their car. Elementary students have gotten in huge trouble for bringing friggin squirt guns to school.

Obviously, you need to know the atmosphere and general attitude at your school. Parents with younger kids should check into that for them. Things may go fine in some areas following that plan. From my experience, you would be much better served to keep quiet.
 
How times change. I graduated in '79 and I was just going back down memory lane... kinda amazing what used to go on in schools:

Kids dressed up as gangsters for halloween toted various realistic fake guns to school.

Kids smoked in the officially sanctioned student smoking areas.

NRA members brought guns into the class room and taught a gun safety class.

A friend of mine carved & painted a realistic .357 magnum in wood shop.

Me and everybody I knew carried a pocket knife to school on a daily basis.

Our Animal Science teacher would demonstrate castration techniques on live farm animals in class - using nothing but a stockman and her TEETH. How would that go over in PC land now?
 
Medic1210 - Did you go to high school in NC? If so, where? They never did anything like that here.


When I was little, in elementary and middle school, I carried a knife to school several times by mistake. I just kept it to myself, and there were no problems.

I did not really become a true knife nut until the start of college so, I didn't really carry a knife regularly then anyway.
 
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Originally posted by ElectricZombie
Medic1210 - Did you go to high school in NC? If so, where? They never did anything like that here.
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Richmond Senior High School, class of 1993. You might know of them by their football, they have won the state championship several times, and were ranked #3 in the country for 4A teams. I know it sounds ridiculous, but that is the way it was. They were the only high school in the county, and the reason they did random class searches was to avoid the descrimination charges that would come if they just searched certain classes or people.

Mike
 
With little exception, I have carried a knife daily for 13yrs. Just got out of HS 4 months ago.

I carried all day, and used it as much as was needed. Like opening packages... why walk and get scissors when you have a knife?

I had it taken in elementary a good dozen times(and gotten it back at 1530hrs that same day... been suspended once in grade 10(long weekend, friday pm till tuesday noon, meeting wth school cop)... had a nice story fabricated about me in grade 12, resulted in a nice thurough search of me, my locker, my friend's locker(shared), and my bag. I still carried every day.

I was supposed to go knifeless for 2 cadet trips. One in feb 02, and this summer(as staff)... didn't happen. Feb I had my Dragonfly, this summer I had 4 total.

It's an oddity these days to just use a knife out in public and not be labeled a crazed maniac.
 
The problem with "zero tolerance" is that zero is an extreme. When you set one parameter of a complex system to an extreme, it often affects or constrains others. Setting tolerance to zero leaves no room for common sense, reason, or rational thought.

The advocates of "zero tolerance" think that it teaches children a strong lesson. You know what? They're right. It does. And the lesson that it teaches is that authorities and "the system" can not be trusted. They can not act reasonably. One little slip and you end up suffering an extreme penalty with no opportunity for any common sense or any consideration.

The lesson it teaches is that if some problem does come up, you can not go to an authority for help. You must circumvent the authorities and the system. How can a child go to a teacher or school administrator with a personal problem, for advice on some situation, or to discuss some problem the student has noticed within the school if that child knows that that administrator just expelled a friend of his for bringing a one-inch-long, plastic, GI Joe knife to school? How can a child trust that teacher or administrator?

Zero-tolerance policies force parents to teach their children to distrust school authorities. That distrust will transfer to other authorities in the future.

Children know right from wrong when they see it, and they can recognize a miscarriage of justice too. When they see another student whom they know to be a good kid expelled for a one-inch plastic gun, they know that that is wrong. And they have to then ask themselves, "if my friend can get expelled for such a stupid thing, who will be expelled next and for what? Will it be me?" And so the children end up living in fear of the very authorities they're supposed to trust.

Zero-tolerance leaves zero room for common sense.
 
Good Thinking Al.
I remember having a Buck 110 either in my pocket or on my belt all through high school (Class of '81). Don't know what the official policy was, but unless you were being a real a$$hole, nobody bothered you.
 
We should have zero tolerance for the scum who make and enforce such rules.:barf:

That said, if I were still in school I'd carry whatever the hell I want. I'd also gather whatever damaging info on anyone who targets me to use in case I'm caught. There are many non violent ways to get at these bastards. :D
 
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