Price Does Not Equate To Quality

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I have a tactical knife by one of the popular maker which was a disappintment due to the workmanship. The knife has uneven grinds on both side of the blade. I have other knives costing less with better workmanship. Do sloppy grinds bothers you?
 
Yes, sloppy work definitely bothers me. One of the reasons that I collect and carry knives is because they are well made pieces of equipment. A lot of the stuff that you use in your everyday life is junk. Sometimes I just play with my knives and marvel at the quality.
 
Now you are getting to the heart of it for me. I am into custom knives for the extreme quality that some of these makers are able to inject into these knives. A lot of the stuff out there currently is approaching artwork, but there are some sloppy knives out there also. Grinds are very important to me; as are solder joints and fit and finish.

Speaking of sloppy grinding, who is the blind person grinding the blades on these new Marbles knives? I want to buy one of these knives; just as soon as I find one that does not have the plunge cuts/shoulders a quarter inch lower on one side than the other.
 
Fire Horse,

Have you contacted the maker of your knife? Although it SHOULD HAVE been done right to start with ("quality control"), most makers will go out of their way to make you a satisfied customer.

Please let us know how this turns out for you, if you do decide to contact the maker of your "not quite right" knife.
 
I hate sloppy workmanship on knives, especially if they are high dollar knives. If I spend $40 on a knife, then I don't expect too much quality, but when you pay over $110, $150 on a production knife with crappy workmanship, then that's when I feel you're just paying for a name. There is one manufacturer that comes to mind, which hypes up their name as the # 1 hard use knives in the world. This company does not sell inexpensive knives, in fact, they are overpriced considering the lack of quality control.
 
Originally posted by glockman99
Fire Horse,

Have you contacted the maker of your knife? Although it SHOULD HAVE been done right to start with ("quality control"), most makers will go out of their way to make you a satisfied customer.

;)
 
Quality to me is very important! I just expect that since I am paying good money, I will get a good knife. If I am not satisfied, I send it back and have them make it right. Simple as that. I just won't except a substandard product, or one than might fail on me when I really need it most.

If I were you, I'd send it back.
 
Quality is of utmost importantance to me. However, quality can be a variable in any purchase. I try to use value as a criteria for determining if the knife I bought is acceptable to me. It I buy a knife at a B&M store, notice it has an uneven grind (or some other flaw) and decide the flaw is acceptable for the price and the knife's intended use, then that is my decision and the quality question is answered at the point of purchase. On the other hand, if I buy a knife through an Internet site and find upon receiving it that it does not meet my quality expectations for the price I paid, it goes back to the seller for a refund or a better example of that particular model. Never accept a knife that does not meet your quality/value expectations. If the seller does not make it good, well, you get to vote with your feet by never entering that establishment again.

By the way, have noticed how willing you are to except flaws in knives that have been given to you, or that you have found. Great value in these situations. :)
 
Check out Opinel or Frosts of Sweden (not Frost, the distributer of third world junk) for quality at a cheap price. You will not be disappointed.
 
Been there done that on a knife waited 7 months on. Looked like the maker was in a rush to finish up. Wish I could send it back but a round trip there and back would cost me big buck$ in shipping charges. I still buy custom knives though, and had better luck with recent purchases.

Andrew Limsk
 
There always has to be at least ONE person to jump in and make some vague and general comment trashing and bashing Emerson Knives without offering detail one about his experience (if any) with EKI knives.

Out of all those whiners who bitch and moan about the crappy quality and the high price paid, 99 percent of those who <b>claim</b> to have gotten a bad EKI knife have NEVER sent it back. They just take that expensive knife and chuck it in the junk drawer to collect dust. :rolleyes:

What happens when that one guy in 100 actually DOES send a knife back?
(Thereby proving that he really DID get a bad knife instead of just being another "me too" Emerson Basher.)

Oh. Well he comes in the next week and sings the praises of Emerson's excellent customer service and waxes eloquent (sorry Waxes Eloquent!) about the incredible quality and value of EKI knives.

Go fig.

Fact 1. Many of the most knowledgeable knife people at BFC are devoted and loyal fans of Emerson Knives.

Fact 2. If you have an Emerson Knife and you're not happy with the quality, EKI will jump through flaming hoops to make you happy.

Fact 3. If you've got a bad EKI knife (It happens to every maker from time to time.) and it hasn't been fixed, it's because you're so lazy you're rather piss off 169 to 200+ bucks rather than stick it in the mail for repair/replacement.

Fact 4. I've seen QC problem knives from Spyderco, Benchmade, CRKT, and everyone else, but no one feels the need to jump up and start bashing with baseless accusations like:

<b>"Price Does Not Equate To Quality = Emerson Knives"</b>

Give it a rest. If you don't like'em, don't buy'em but quit trying to damage a good and reputable maker because you feel some sort of personal animosity towards them.

Either that or back it up with facts and proof.
 
Thanks for the comments. I sent an email last night to the maker addressing my issues. The knife is not an Emerson.
 
"The knife has uneven grinds on both side of the blade."

Well, at least we know that it's NOT an Emerson. Emersons NEVER have this problem.


"There is one manufacturer that comes to mind, which hypes up their name as the # 1 hard use knives in the world. This company does not sell inexpensive knives, in fact, they are overpriced considering the lack of quality control." :rolleyes:

Oh Pulleaze!!!!! Emerson bashing is really getting old. If their QA is sooooo bad, how come I own 14 Emersons and NONE of them have ANY QA problems? And this is coming from an inspector in the Aerospace field with eleven+ years of experience!!!!!! I've owned BM's that were sooooo dull out of the box, and after sending it back, yes I sent it back, it was somewhat sharp. Never as sharp as a knife from EKI.

"Price Does Not Equate To Quality = Emerson Knives" :barf:

With my experience, I could say the same about BM!!!!

The BM 975 was the ONLY BM worth owning. Never saw a bad one. I can get a new Emerson CQC7 for under $90. Can't touch a comparable BM for that.


Hi Ken.
 
Ken, I have owned several Emerson production knives. The first one I bought was a CQC-7B, which eagerly bought to see how it compared to the old Benchmade 970. My first dissapointment was how the liner lock did not properly engage the blade tang and how easily the "paint" came off of the screws and how the pivot screw seemed to work it's way loose. I adjusted the pivot screw to the point where the lock did engage the blade tang and used a little loc-tite on the screw to prevent it from loosening, but now I had to deal with a knife with noticable blade play. I sent this one back to Emerson knives. When I received it back from the factory, the blade play was gone and the lock engaged properly, but the action was stiff. If I loosend the pivot in order to get smooth action, I'd get the blade play again. I carried the knife on a daily basis and tried opening and closing it several times a day to see if I could "break it in," but I ended up with a blistered thumb. I gave up on this one and swapped it for a used fixed blade. My second Emerson was a Commander which I ordered online. On this one there was no blade play and the linerlock engaged properly out of the box, but the paint from the pivot screw began to wear off too and after only a week of carrying, the liner lock worked it's way clear across the blade tang to almost the other side of the liner. There was no blade play but it took quite an effort to unlock the darn thing. I sent this one back too. When I received it, the liner still engaged more than halfway across the blade tang, only the lock was not as tight. My next Emerson was a Mach 1 with chromium nitrate finish which began to wear off near the thumb disc from my thumb making contact with the blade after only one day of carrying it, also the knife came with a rough edge, which I had to smooth out on a crock stick. I sold this one. The last Emerson I bought, which I ended up trading on the forum, I had to ask the guy at the counter to let me see several samples before picking one that was adequate. The question is, how many times must one send a knife back to the factory for problems that should have been identified at the factory? How many samples of the same knife do you have to check out before buying one that you feel is just right? The only Emerson knife I've decided to keep is a La Griffe which has no moving parts, but I do not feel confident enough to pay over $100 again on an Emerson folder.
 
Cid,
Okay, before I say anything else, let me make one thing clear.
The "paint" comes off the screws sometimes!
If this is important to you and ruins the value of the knife if your eyes, DO NOT buy an Emerson. Personally, I consider this a silly complaint. It does not affect the usefulness or function of the knife in any way, it's only a minor matter of cosmetics. What do you want it for? Is it a tool or is it something for show and tell? As someone who has made my living for many years working out of a toolbox, I personally do not care whether my tools have nicks and dings in them or if the paint comes off of them. As long as they are well maintained and perform as they are supposed to, I am a happy camper.

On the issue of loose pivot screws...

Emerson knives are made to be taken apart and put back together by the user. They are made to be adjusted the way the USER wants it adjusted.

When you tighten a screw, how is it possible that it can go from too tight to too loose without every hitting "just right" somewhere along the way?

You sent a knife back because it was too hard to unlock, and then when you get it back, are unhappy because it doesn't lock up hard enough. In short, you were asking EKI to read your mind and know just EXACTLY how you wanted the knife to "feel" for you.

This reminds me of a time many years ago when I was working as a cook. Some guy comes in and orders a Medium Rare Steak. The CORRECT definition of "Medium Rare" is warm pink in the middle. "Rare" is COLD pink in the middle. I sent the steak out, a perfect medium rare.
In minutes, it came back with the complaint that it was overdone.
Okay, customer's always right, so I cooked another steak cold pink in the middle. (Rare) It comes back again with the complaint that it is over done. I sent out another, even MORE Rare, and again, it came back as "overdone." I finally threw a steak on the grill, left it there for 5 seconds per side and sent it out raw. it did NOT come back again, and the guy didn't eat it. Lesson learned? Some people just can't be pleased, they'd literally rather bitch than eat.

I'm beginning to learn that this applies to the knife world too.


<b>The question is, how many times must one send a knife back to the factory for problems that should have been identified at the factory? How many samples of the same knife do you have to check out before buying one that you feel is just right?</b>

This is my point EXACTLY!

The things you list as problems, really aren't PROBLEMS. Pivot tension is left adjustable because the average EKI user wants the tension adjusted exactly to his preference. Some people do not know what proper tension is, and therefore can't adjust to proper tension.

Others may know what they want, but are asking for the impossible. On every EKI knife I own, there is one exact sweet spot in the pivot screw tension that will give me the exact opening feel I'm looking for. When I buy a new one, I fiddle with it for a minute, find that spot, apply a drop of Loctite and then hit that spot again and let it set for a few hours. I haven't yet had to re-adjust one after that. I don't see what could possibly be hard about that, but some people do. For those people, maybe they shouldn't buy an Emerson. But the POINT is that generally speaking,(I'm sure there is an occasional exception) it's not the KNIFE'S fault.

As to how many samples you should check out before you buy a knife?
Before I started buying Emersons, I used to demand to handle several different knives (of the same model) before I picked the one I wanted, because many times, the knives were not adjustable. I had to FIND the one that felt right rather than tuning one to fit me. I personally prefer doing it myself. If you don't, then maybe you shouldn't buy Emersons. Reminds me of bikes. If you don't like working on bikes, buy a Honda. If you don't mind getting in there and doing some work and actually LIKE to tune it up the way you want it, buy a Harley. Does this make the Honda a better bike? Hardly. But it does make the Harley a bike that seperates the Biker from the Rider.

Now I'm sure you're thinking that I've sat here and told you that it's all your fault and that you're not good enough to own an Emerson.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

What I'm saying, is that maybe EKI knives aren't for you. Maybe they are not what you are looking for in a knife. Maybe you just don't want to take the time to bother with it, I don't know, and I'm not trying to guess. No knife will suit everyone's preferences. If it doesn't suit yours, then by all means, don't BUY the darned thing and come in here and say, "I don't like Emerson knives." You sure won't bother me by saying that. What BOTHERS me is when people say, "I don't like Emerson knives so the quality must suck."

One last thought,
There's no way to know now, but I'm willing to bet that I'd have kept and used every single Emerson you rejected and I'd have been perfectly happy with all of them.

If you DO buy another EKI someday and decide you don't like it and it's not right, email me. Maybe we can make a deal, because I'll take all the Emersons I can get my hands on!
:D
 
That is absolutely true, there are some very low cost knives that will perform as well as many high prices knives. Only difference...brand name recognition.
 
Just gotta put my 2 cents in regarding the EKI bashing. Bought a SOCFK - first Emerson - It had overtravel on the liner (2/3 across blade), the black was already worn off the pivot screw, and the blade was not centered. A phone call and sending the knife to Kali is all it took. The knife came back in about 10 days with everything taken care of. Is the knife as "refined" as my Benchmade 940, for example? No. Which knife would I rather have in my pocket when I'm in the south industrial area of Chicago at a mill trial at 11:30 pm? Damn straight it was the Emerson, just for piece of mind. They aren't perfect knives, but I TRUST them, and their customer service was great. Not cheap, but still a value in my book.

Greg
 
I sent the knife back this past Monday, July 23, by FedEx overnight. In the letter that went with the knife, I asked that they send me an email that they received the knife. On Tuesday, July 24, I left a voice mail for them to call me that they received the knife. As of today, still nothing. I'm thinking about posting the pix of the knife with all the quality issues highlighted.
 
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