primitive forging spear head and some comments about the value of files

Cliff Stamp

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This was made basically on a more or less lark from a very heavy bolt by a friend :

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/CliffStamp/misc/spear_head.jpg

The bolt was roughly forged flat to give it some width and save some time grinding. Total time was less than half an hour. It works well as a direct stabbing implement and it makes a mess if you jam it in something and haul it out violently as the barbs rip it to pieces. Possible value as a heavy fish spear, but I would want it much thinner for that locally.

It is too thick to use to cut wood or brush, plus the barbs get in the way, but it does break apart frozen ground readily and can cut through ice, much faster than pounding with a rock. It also goes into wood readily and thus can be used to pry apart woods from existing cracks, especially when it is attached to pole.

I tried some grinding with a few rocks initially and it is possible but you are looking at days of grinding time, with an actual file, just hours and you could make an actual knife if you wanted. I watched a knife ground from a piece of Al a few years back, full convex profile with a normal bastard file in a short period of time. I did the same thing on a much smaller scale on a six inch nail.

These are really soft alloys (rolled mild steel), but you can cut ropes, fabrics, vegetation and such and it isn't like they are weak, not many people can bend a six inch nail in their hands readily for example. You can also use the same file to work bones, I always carry one for emergency axe repairs anyway but it might be something to consider in general. Files are however fairly heavy and large, you could just break one of course and carry a piece.

-Cliff
 
Nice spear head but.... what's a hockey stick?:( :D

NA's used to prize the iron rims of wagon wheels left behind by settlers moving West. One iron rim would make dozens of buffalo lances and arrowheads. How they leaned to cut them, and forge them, I dunno. I always wondered about that. But I am certain they got the idea from HBC trade points, forged (in Sheffield?), imported, and traded for furs. I've made a few over the years, and they work well for casting points, but for arrowheads, care must be taken to balance them for accurate flight and minimum weight. annealing helps with the shaping though, softening the metal greatly first, then hardening afterwards.

Good experiment and good info Cliff!

Codger
 
I forged out my first spear head on new years eve.
Its a socket spear head that could also be used as a knife, when not hafted.
I used a piece of 5160 leaf spring, hardened and tempered to a bronze color.
George.......................
 
...or you could get yourself one of these. :D

bushman16sr.jpg
 
Codger_64 said:
.... what's a hockey stick?

Essential survival equipment in Canada.

...annealing helps with the shaping though...

I'd try the same thing if the metal was hardenable. Hood shows some primitive forging in "Survival camping" including how to make a forge and bellows several ways.

-Cliff
 
Cliff,

This was made basically on a more or less lark from a very heavy bolt by a friend :

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...spear_head.jpg

The bolt was roughly forged flat to give it some width and save some time grinding. Total time was less than half an hour. It works well as a direct stabbing implement and it makes a mess if you jam it in something and haul it out violently as the barbs rip it to pieces. Possible value as a heavy fish spear, but I would want it much thinner for that locally.


Can you tell me more about how you forged these? I have wanted to try cheap and easy forging, just not sure how to go about it.

I searched for other threads, but found none. If I missed it just point me in the right direction.
 
razorback it is highly unlikly you will break a cs bushman by batoning check out the review done on them on BF knife reviews. I can come many of the torutre tests myself as I have used mine to cut fire pits, chop up old xmas trees, chisel a doorframe opening, pry wood trim off of a ceiling, cut thru fiberboard for removal and general throwing into wood for the heack of it.
 
I think Razorback is refering to some of the early CS Bushmans that had iffy heattreating. I do believe it was Ron Hood who left some in the jungle with a tribe and there was a high percentage of them broken very quickly. I have sharpened a couple for friends myself that had different hardnesses throughout the blade. It's funky when you are sharpening a blade and get "skating" in certain areas as it passes over a diamond surface.
 
You can tell it's a Canadian test....the spear shaft is a hockey stick!
my first thought.

interesting post cliff. i don't usually carry a file. but there'll be one in the truck now. and along on longer trips to the woods.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Yeah, that's the other benefit, it also works as a decent Moose prod for pond hockey.

-Cliff
We have a rule on our pond . No moose prodding . They have the right of way ! L:O:L

I,m definitely going to add a file to the backpack . Thanks ,You just made it 4 ounces heavier . L:O:L
 
Those Bushmen are just a lump of metal easy to re-HT if there is an actual problem. I think the design is pretty nearly perfect for a lot of things, and the price allows them to be purchased by the dozen.

There is a lot of stuff that folks are asking of knives these days that is pretty stupid. Reverence for tools is part of craftsmanship, if people would learn to use edged tools rather than wasting their time running knife demolition derby's they might get further. Have fun by all means, but let's not make the testing protocol the doctrin for use.
 
Protactical said:
Those Bushmen are just a lump of metal easy to re-HT if there is an actual problem.

If the blade is cracked off from the handle then the heat treatment required to fix it isn't going to be easy. Nor is it too much to ask that a piece of tempered tool steel not behave like a piece of glass, especially when you pick steels which are designed for toughness and used in industry for impact tools and heat treat them accordingly.

-Cliff
 
"If the blade is cracked off from the handle then the heat treatment required to fix it isn't going to be easy. Nor is it too much to ask that a piece of tempered tool steel not behave like a piece of glass, especially when you pick steels which are designed for toughness and used in industry for impact tools and heat treat them accordingly."


Re-heat treating won't re-weld, you surprise me Holmes!

It should be pretty obvious whether the steel is glass hard the first time one sharpens it, though it isn't going to be a cause for celebration whenever discovered. I could teurn up the test failure for the Bushman in the review section, at least not relative to batoning, what was the problem Cliff? I mean I guess someone hit it with a stick and the end fell off...

You could super quench your bolt. I'd be warry of those barbs they are probably going to get you in trouble with the game folks just about everywhere. Of course the same is sometimes true of spears.

Mr Trooper, I welcome the challenge! Welding and HTing some of my favorite things.
 
FWIW the Bushman blades are not welded to the handle. The knife is stamped out of a single ribbon of steel. They just roll the handle part over. IIRC there is a non-welded seam that runs the length of the handle (on the side of the handle not shown in the picture) where the two edges of the ribbon meet. At least on the ones I have.
 
Protactical said:
It should be pretty obvious whether the steel is glass hard the first time one sharpens it ...

Steel can be very hard and still tough and fairly soft and still brittle, there are lots of ways that the heat treating can go wrong and it is very difficult to detect without breaking the knife and looking at the structure or just subjecting it to various materials tests and make sure it is up to specifications. A hardness test is better than nothing but far from inclusive. That class of steels (SK-5) actually has a toughness maximum at near full hardness.

...what was the problem Cliff? I mean I guess someone hit it with a stick and the end fell off...

As noted, some of the comments in the above were addressing baton failures with other Cold Steel blades. In regards to the Bushman, Cold Steel describes it as the strongest survival knife for the money and promotes the blade/handle juncture as handling "2 tons of pressure" without failure, so a user should not really be limited in use. The reason for the failures as reported in the above are likely due to problems in normalization after the shaping.

-Cliff
 
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