Problems With Fellow Members

Vivi said:
I've been having on-going problems with members at BF, behaviour I don't consider typical of our general populace. It was primarily sparked by this thread.

I've been attempting to ignore it more as it progressed and got more out of hand, eventually prompting me to request my thread in the Buck forum be closed. I've since noticed that in thread I've created or participated in, specific members will mention the other thread and throw out accusations, insults and the like towards me in posts completely irrelevent to the topic. I've also noticed this in a thread I had no participation in, where I'm simply being used to imply another member is an idiot. In my lay perspective this constitutes both harassment and spam.

Here are some specific links...

This and this.
From the Spyderco forum
One more, note the edited quote

I'd like to share a quote from one of these types of threads.

4. Too many people with thin skins and delicate over size egos. Just because somebody does things a little different or has a differing opinion, you don't have to turn it into insults and degrade the whole tone of the thread. Differing opinions is what makes any forum great-we can listen to new or fresh ideas and maybe learn something if we keep our egos in check.

I think that as a community, we should focus on this more. If you check my old Opinel failure thread (ref), Noss4's "testing" videos or go look all Cliff Stamp's old posts defending himself, you will see many members attacking other members based on how we use our knives. I've done light chopping with my Opinels many times and know they can handle it fine and when I discussed this type of usage here on the forums I was attacked for my methods. When Noss4 posted his destructive videos he was attacked for his methods. Cliff has received more hateful posts than anyone I have ever seen participating in a forum.

My question for you folks is why? I don't think I've ever disputed someone's right to disagree with my methods when I post them in the public for all to read. What I've always had an issue with though is the way people disagree with me. If you look at the Buck 110 / Byrd destruction threads, you'll see an interesting variety of responses. After I posted that I would like to refrain from sharing details to my story, most members were not happy about that. Some accepted my decision and offered what they thought were the most logical reasons for my witholding the story. I'm fine with that. Other's harassed and slandered me in what I could only see as attempts to anger and / or provoke me into further arguement. This I don't think is acceptable forum behaviour.

The mods have done a great job so far working with me on this, but I don't see this behaviour going away thanks to their efforts. It's going to take a change in the people participating in this forum everyday. It's going to take being able to hear "I don't think a Sebenza is worth their price tag," or "I baton with my folders," and not attacking the person for what they wrote. Until the community here can improve it's ability to peacefully disagree, I see many great threads in the future being bogged down by tired old arguements, defensive posts, insults abd bickering that could very easily be avoided.

Please, next time you see someone like me or Cliff doing something you think is stupid or impractical, just take a deep breath, wait for a minute, then type out your thoughts in a frank but civil manner. I think things would be more informative and productive without this emotional crap going around the forums.
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Well since you quoted me, I will respond.

Respect is earned. When I read your thread, I read about a boy upset that he isn't getting any respect. When you posted about hitting a girl with a skateboard because she splashed water on you, you lost respect in many's eyes. When you destroy objects that are the very center of this forum's existance for no good reason (knives) especially when one was reportedly a gift from a fellow Bladeforum member (who took pity on you for some reason and gave you nice knife as a gift) you lost respect in many many's eyes. When you proudly display said destroyed knives that were obviously willfully abused in manner requesting where to send for warranty replacement, you not only lose respect in everyone's eyes, you catapult yourself into scumbagdom.

Now you are trying to force respect by playing the rules lawyer...good grief.

P.S. You can't seriously consider what you do anything close to what Cliff Stamp does. A hack hiding his complete lack of scientific methodology is no scientist.
 
If I had one BFC wish this AM it would be to move this thread to Whine and Cheese.
 
Vivi said:
I've been having on-going problems with members at BF, behaviour I don't consider typical of our general populace.
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If a lot of people treat you differently than they treat JoeAveragePoster, perhaps it isn't a problem with dozens and dozens, if not hundreds of members but perhaps a problem with you?

My last line was the least important of my last post; I outlined three very good reasons why you are treated the way you are. I've never read most of your stuff, but I'm confident there is many more. The fact that you totally blew by my three main points and focused on the insignificance of my pointing out that you aren't Cliff or anyone like Cliff tells me you aren't "listening".

Since you are in the habit of focusing on the last thought of a post I'll make it easy for you.

Intentionally breaking a gifted knife; then posting bragging pictures and very "iffy" reasons why it happened in two seperate threads, and then fishing for a warranty replacement is a douchebag move...that is why you are treated the way you are being treated.
 
Vivi said:
I did address the points in the middle of your post. You detailed things I did that other members looked down on and I responded that I am not here to earn favor or respect, but despite what others may think of me they're still, according to the rules of our forum, required to treat me with civility outside of Whine and Cheese. I feel members are not doing this, hence this thread.

In response to your last line, I never made an attempt to contact either company for warranty or repair information; claiming I intentionally broke the knife is pure conjecture on your part since you don't know what happened that night and I am unaware of what I did to give you the impression I was bragging in that thread. If you could point out anything in specific that made you feel that way I would appreciate it.
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where vivi purposefully destroys a gifted knife

Vivi said:
If I broke one of my Byrd knives, where should I send it in for warranty coverage? I don't know if the damage will be covered under warranty, but I'd like to try...
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Vivi said:
I'll post the details after I get some sleep, but I went through my beloved Cara Cara and my Buck 110 tonight. Was a tough evening. =/

Hope I can get at least one of these knives replaced, considering I have no job. Hahah. Both knives are in multiple pieces. The 110 cracked down the brass the and Cara Cara's pins simply broke apart.
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Vivi said:
G10 Cara Cara.

What happened with the Byrd is the pivot area loosened up real quickly. Eventually half the pivot bolt fell out. The lockbar felt slightly compressed at this point. I think what happened next is the handle started breaking apart while the pivot area continued to dissasemble itself. The scales were really seperating at this point, the metal back spacer was about half a cm from one of the steel liners for instance.

The Buck failed a lot quicker. The blade eventually popped loose from the lockbar at the pivot and the tip broke off. It was smacked a few times on the side to tighten it back up and put back to work, only to do the same thing again and eventually crack through the handles themselves.

I'll get pictures of both knives. Could also post pictures of the lockbar and blade contact areas for a comparison.

This was 95% due to some chopping and prying. The tip of the Byrd was a lot more robust than I thought, it never came apart.
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And the final nail for intentional destruction..
Vivi said:
It was tough enough that I couldn't break it using my hands. I had to lay it on a hard surface and press either side with my hands. It's tough stuff, and this doesn't even strike me as the same quality G10 you get with Spydercos. It's good, but seems to be a little more brittle feeling and has a slightly less grippy texture applied to it.



Working on getting a job. This wasn't me just playing around and intentionally abusing the knives. No one on this forum can claim to know what I was doing when I broke them, because I haven't shared the story. It was something I needed to do though and my knives were the only thing I felt could do the job. They did, but you can see the results. Either way, I never said I expected these to be replaced. I'd just like to send them in to their respective companies, write them a note about what I did, thank them for producing such fine and affordable knives and let them decide what to do from there. If anything, maybe the companies will examine the failures like I have. Whatever happens, I'm expecting to have to pay for these myself. I'll happily lay down 30$ again for either of these knives, they're both very solid.
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The knives in question; clearly intentionally abused by visual evidence and your own words, not to mention you clearly stating you are seeking warranty coverage.



At the end of the day you are judged on your actions and your words. You intentially broke it either in your mommy's basement in fit of Nossism or you were busy Sticking it to the Man, a vivi Skateboard Adventure, Episode VI, Vivi gets Locked in while Trespassing. Have fun in your quest...oh and see you and this whiny thread in Whine and Cheese.
 
zenheretic said:
When you posted about hitting a girl with a skateboard because she splashed water on you, you lost respect in many's eyes. When you destroy [...] a gift from a fellow Bladeforum member (who took pity on you for some reason and gave you nice knife as a gift) you lost respect in many many's eyes.
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Vivi has also talked about his daily hits from the bong. That is illegal, isn´t it?

Vivi said:
My question for you folks is why?
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Maybe one of these 3 reasons have something to do with it:

1. The whole hitting girls with skateboards thing.
2. Destroying a gift from a forum member.
3. Openly talking about your illegal activities.
 
Vivi, has been on my Ignore List for so long that I can't remember the specific reason I put him on there. It would seem that there is no reason to change his status.
 
Vivi, I think the girl you hit with the skateboard should have been treated with respect. I also think the person that gave you a free knife should have been treated with respect. You did neither. You seem to think that members here should have to treat you in a way that you don't treat others.

When I read that you had hit a girl with a skateboard I thought how much I wished I had been there so I could have shoved that skatebord somewhere sideways. When I read that you had taken a gift from another member here and destroyed it, I thought, what a prick. I have no respect for you, so I will not treat you with respect. For the most part, I just ignore you, but when I see a whiney post like the original one in this thread, I feel it is my obligation to let you know that you don't deserve to be treated any better than you have been.
 
i have never had any interaction with vivi and after reading the various post he has mad makes me sure that i dont want any interaction.... here is the real point of this thread..... how does someone who looks a gift horse in the mouth get treated with civility and then gets pissy about it....
 
Christ, the world according to Vivi. An unemployed, skateboarding, doper.
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After reading his. . . .well. . . . .something, I almost felt like hugging a tree and singing a goofy campfire song. :D
 
Vivi is an annoying little gnat. He was respected as much as everyone else, until he proved himself unworthy of any respect through his own stupidity and actions.

Long ago, when Vivi smugly stated that he tailors each post in an annoying pseudo-intellectual manner in order to piss people off, he went on my ignore list.
 
Vivi said:
........What I've always had an issue with though is the way people disagree with me. .......

....... This I don't think is acceptable forum behaviour.

........... It's going to take a change in the people participating in this forum everyday........
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Let's see, the way people disagree with you?

While you insist, contrary to all medical knowledge and everyone else's experience, that your driving ability is not impaired after smoking weed?

How should folks treat you after your description of hitting a girl with your skateboard? Respectfully disagree?

Or recommending the Unabomber's manifesto as an interesting read?

If your destroy a knife, don't be surpised that people on these forums will ask you how you did it.

And finally, before you ask everyone else to change their ways, maybe you should consider that the problem is not with them.
 
Vivi says he's not looking for respect, but so many of his posts are filled with implicit pleas for respect.

That whole Buck 110 thread is a piece of work. "Look, I blew up my 110, and I want everyone to OOH and AHH." Basically, that was the about the only point of the thread, as far as I can tell. No knife "testing" went on obviously since Vivi was not willing to share the conditions under which a nice knife was reduced to a pile of scrap materials.

I think the real issue here may be something that Vivi isn't willing to admit out of embarrassment.

Vivi said:
I was prescribed depakote in the past and it didn't do anything for me. When I was in the Psych Ward the second time I had an EEG done and reacted slightly to the strobe light, though I never experience this behaviour in real world situations.
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One can only surmise what a "crazy" scenario Vivi must have found himself in when he exploded a perfectly good knife. However, maybe the event wasn't as unplanned as he lets on. Maybe it was just another calculated jab against "the Man" and materialism in general...

Vivi said:
There was a time on another forum where I made a post with pictures of me breaking material things that were close to me. Things like favorite T-Shirts I purchased at memorable concerts or some of my first Karate trophies to earn. Other people started joining in and soon we had a thread full of photos of us breaking things. I would propose a similar thread for this forum, but with a little more intelligable outcome.
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Yeah, maybe we could all start breaking our knives and posting pics. Wouldn't that be so much fun!? :rolleyes:
 
*Insert the theme song from. . . . .The Twilight Zone* :D



Can't we all just get a
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Vivi- you have done nothing to earn the respect of most of the people here. aside from the aforementioned examples above, I also remember a thread where people were talking about private property and trespassing, and you said that a no trespassing sign meant sh*t to you, and you would cross someone's private property or camp on it without a second thought. that is, in my book, and in most people here's eyes disrespect.

hitting a girl is frowned upon by most men, and using a skateboard? please. I would call that disrespect.

someone gives you a gift, and you destroy it and post pictures? that is disrespectful.

people aren't given respect. they earn it.
 
I can't resepect the person of 'Vivi' for all the stated reasons. I think he is enjoying the negative attention, so be it, Vivi enjoy on if you must...

If Vivi would harness all his angst against the man in a different direction he just might be able to spread good instead of the problems in his life and others.
 
Vivi said:
1. Illustrate, with comprehensive proof, that you know why I was doing what I was doing with my knives. (I've stated what I was doing with them when they were destroyed, but not why I was doing it all in the first place. Again, the notion I intentionally broke them just to break them is conjecture, the only stories you can quote as to why I destroyed the knives were not even told by me, but made up by other members. You have nothing to cite that can possibly show what you are trying to prove.
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LOL, you don't even remember the post where you specifically stated HOW you broke those knives? You don't remember talking about how you and your friend hid out in the store until it was closed, stole a bunch of money and merchandise, and then realized you were locked in? And how you destroyed both knives trying to get out? Man, you must have really been BAKED to have forgotten that whole post.
 
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