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Hi, is this possible? To dye a g10 scale? Could someone please share some light on this matter? Does the dye not keep coming off in your pocket?
And southard is hard to beat in my opinion. Only 0777 can dethrown it
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Production Flipper Shootout: Spyderco Southard, Domino, ZT 801, and ZT
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Hi, is this possible? To dye a g10 scale? Could someone please share some light on this matter? Does the dye not keep coming off in your pocket?
And southard is hard to beat in my opinion. Only 0777 can dethrown it
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Evilgreg pretty much summed it up in the first post after the OPs.
I have the southard and the 801 so I cant speak first hand on the domino. My 801 has a perfect detent and is a much better flipping knife. I have used mine quite a bit and really like the elmax but the steel on the Southard is better, I don't think anyone will really argue that. In stock form, I absolutely hate the southards clip and how it carries, so I will give the edge to the 801 there (I don't care at all about weight if it carries nice). Although, I put an STR deep carry clip on my Southard though and now its very hard to find a knife I like carrying more, especially in shorts. I am a big Kershaw/ZT fan, but if I could keep one of them, it would be the Southard for sure.
I have the southard and the 801 so I cant speak first hand on the domino. My 801 has a perfect detent and is a much better flipping knife. I have used mine quite a bit and really like the elmax but the steel on the Southard is better, I don't think anyone will really argue that. In stock form, I absolutely hate the southards clip and how it carries, so I will give the edge to the 801 there (I don't care at all about weight if it carries nice). Although, I put an STR deep carry clip on my Southard though and now its very hard to find a knife I like carrying more, especially in shorts. I am a big Kershaw/ZT fan, but if I could keep one of them, it would be the Southard for sure.
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Jason G. - Use Rit-Dye. The Dye does NOT come off in the pocket though it may wear over time and you may have to redye it a little bit but it would be after quite a long while.
Never owned or handled a Southard but have the ZT 0801 and handled the Domino.
The Domino is a beauty and a very smooth flipper. Nice blade thickness with an excellent thinness behind the edge. CTS-XHP is an EXCELLENT steel and has never disappointed me. The scale on the Domino is beautiful and grippy. The Ti is very nicely finished, steel insert, great locking action and smooth to unlock. It feels awesome in the hand and is overall a thin knife. It's a little wide but not thick and feels nice in the pocket. Great knife and I've actually considered trying to trade the ZT for one, simply because I love the look, feel, Spyderco in general, the finger choil(adds for a better grip on the overall knife), and steel.
The ZT is another gorgeous looking knife. It's looks and feels bigger in the hand than it actually is. The weight of it is actually nice, not too heavy, and well distributed. It also has a steel lock bar insert for a stronger lock and this is actually a really nice add on. It has a screw to remove it if you don't like it. I like the smooth feel and overall look of the all ti handles and the grooves add for a nice grip. The blade has a great cutting edge-to blade length ratio and that's something I love about it. It feels good in the hand with no finger grooves or anything needed. I've never personally had an issue with ELMAX steel and have owned a few knives in ELMAX. The blade has a nice grind and makes for a good heavy duty knife but a nice cutter. Has a great strong detent and smooth flipping action with a nice solid opening.
Overall, you really couldn't go wrong with either knife, I'd have a tough time choosing between the two. So... I'll probably just buy a Domino when I get the cash.
If you like something a little larger and a better blade to handle ratio.. the 0801 is the best choice hands down.
If you're okay with something smaller and a nice blade and handle, the Domino is great.
I like both.
Never owned or handled a Southard but have the ZT 0801 and handled the Domino.
The Domino is a beauty and a very smooth flipper. Nice blade thickness with an excellent thinness behind the edge. CTS-XHP is an EXCELLENT steel and has never disappointed me. The scale on the Domino is beautiful and grippy. The Ti is very nicely finished, steel insert, great locking action and smooth to unlock. It feels awesome in the hand and is overall a thin knife. It's a little wide but not thick and feels nice in the pocket. Great knife and I've actually considered trying to trade the ZT for one, simply because I love the look, feel, Spyderco in general, the finger choil(adds for a better grip on the overall knife), and steel.
The ZT is another gorgeous looking knife. It's looks and feels bigger in the hand than it actually is. The weight of it is actually nice, not too heavy, and well distributed. It also has a steel lock bar insert for a stronger lock and this is actually a really nice add on. It has a screw to remove it if you don't like it. I like the smooth feel and overall look of the all ti handles and the grooves add for a nice grip. The blade has a great cutting edge-to blade length ratio and that's something I love about it. It feels good in the hand with no finger grooves or anything needed. I've never personally had an issue with ELMAX steel and have owned a few knives in ELMAX. The blade has a nice grind and makes for a good heavy duty knife but a nice cutter. Has a great strong detent and smooth flipping action with a nice solid opening.
Overall, you really couldn't go wrong with either knife, I'd have a tough time choosing between the two. So... I'll probably just buy a Domino when I get the cash.
If you like something a little larger and a better blade to handle ratio.. the 0801 is the best choice hands down.
If you're okay with something smaller and a nice blade and handle, the Domino is great.
I like both.
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I own the Southard and Domino. Like them both but if I had to choose one I'd go with the Southard. Just a matter of preferring the narrower, longer knife.
I passed on the 801. No reason other than I am holding off for the 801CF in M390. Patience is a virtue indeed.
If I could afford to squeeze in a standard 801 in my budget I'd have it blue anodized. Seen a couple, quite nice.
I passed on the 801. No reason other than I am holding off for the 801CF in M390. Patience is a virtue indeed.
If I could afford to squeeze in a standard 801 in my budget I'd have it blue anodized. Seen a couple, quite nice.
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Looking at the first video on post # 20 of the thread I noticed he was comparing it's performance to Z wear steel in a SNG. I'd like to share my feelings about this. 34-35 degrees inclusive is fairly thin for a high carbide stainless. My guess is the "wear resistance" problem isn't coming from abrasive wear. It's edge damage. ( I'd like to know what the sharpened blade was thinned out to after the Wicked Edge sharpening. Elmax, while tough for a high carbide stainless isn't in the same class of toughness as Z wear. That's a powder steel variant of Vascowear/Cruwear and that steel spawned 3V. It's in that class of toughness whereas the Stainless steels may have a third to a forth of the toughness of that class steel. It ( Cruwear/Z wear/PD-1) is also an upgrade to D2 for wear resistance ( and toughness) so it's no slouch for a non stainless in the wear resistance department. The SNG is likely at 40 degrees inclusive, run a point or so higher and when put through the heavy use of cutting carpet and metal it's going to resist deformation much better.
If you want that kind of performance my recommendation is to stay away from the high carbide stainless class and edges under 40 degrees inclusive ( I have a vascowear Gerber Sportsman 2 ( V steel) that dry shaves at over 50 degrees inclusive so thicker bevels can still cut.
Just my observation on what I saw happening. I don't believe it's a classic wear resistance test in the first video linked to anyway. I didn't have the time to watch the others.
Joe
If you want that kind of performance my recommendation is to stay away from the high carbide stainless class and edges under 40 degrees inclusive ( I have a vascowear Gerber Sportsman 2 ( V steel) that dry shaves at over 50 degrees inclusive so thicker bevels can still cut.
Just my observation on what I saw happening. I don't believe it's a classic wear resistance test in the first video linked to anyway. I didn't have the time to watch the others.
Joe
My problem, besides only having the ZT0801 of the three mentioned, is that I simply don't need a knife in my everyday life. Does that mean I don't carry one, well, hell no would be the answer to that!! I can't address the Elmax steel problems I've read about, but I can say that for the things I have cut with the 801, the steel has done well, but time will tell, always.
My two favorite ZT flippers are the 801 and the RJ Martin designed 0600, which is my absolute favorite because of it's tank like build. But meanwhile the 801 is the knife in my pocket day in and day out, and I love it. It flips so smoothly even after I have tightened the pivot a bit more to my likening. The titanium framelock is built so smoothly with the steel insert also acting as the overtravel stop working from the inside and not even noticeable with a cursory glance of the knife.
I have seen the custom version in pics, but with the ZT version being as well built as it is, I don't believe I will miss anything by not having the custom model........even if I could even get my hands on one!
Btw, I feel the same about Martin designed ZT0600. :thumbup:
My two favorite ZT flippers are the 801 and the RJ Martin designed 0600, which is my absolute favorite because of it's tank like build. But meanwhile the 801 is the knife in my pocket day in and day out, and I love it. It flips so smoothly even after I have tightened the pivot a bit more to my likening. The titanium framelock is built so smoothly with the steel insert also acting as the overtravel stop working from the inside and not even noticeable with a cursory glance of the knife.
I have seen the custom version in pics, but with the ZT version being as well built as it is, I don't believe I will miss anything by not having the custom model........even if I could even get my hands on one!
Btw, I feel the same about Martin designed ZT0600. :thumbup:
the problem is with the edges being overheated in sharpening. A lot of elmax blades show that from the factory. Just sharpen it off and you'll be fine.
I only have the 801 out of the 3 and it being my first zt as well, i have no complaints. I cleaned and processed 3 deer my dad got on opening day of bow season today with the zt. I saw no problem with the elmax edge retention (also my first elmax blade experience) after cutting tendons and and bone and slicing grissle out of deer meat for hours I had no damage to the edge, a few swipes on the steel about every hour was all it needed to get back to shaving (also, has not been reprofiled, only hit the factory edge with a ceramic rod). Dad was using my busse b4, he had no idea what he lol. I got the 801 to USE and i gave it a real world workout today.
These forum threads on Elmax can certainly spread quickly and change a few minds. It seems some only want to see/hear the couple of random vids/accounts out there in making their decisions on this steel. The positive reviews seemingly are discounted. Forget about their own real world experiences. Seems odd to me, but there you have it.
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This... makes too much sense. :thumbup:
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I'm waiting on this. It has M390
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I'll be the odd duck (or beaver) and cast my vote for the Benchmade 300SN. You live in Portland, so if you ever have a problem, Benchmade is right down the road. That's one of the chief reasons I own so many! Problem solved in a day or two, and nothing gets lost in the mail. Also, Axis Lock is by FAR the best lock of the bunch.
ZT is out because I abhor recurve blades.
Spyderco makes a hell of a knife (I EDC a PM2). I've never held a Spyderco flipper, but every Spydey I've ever handled has had more drag on the blade than I think should be there. In a flipper design, that's the Achilles heal. BUT, maybe they worked magic on their flippers, making them less draggy than their other designs.
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ZT is out because I abhor recurve blades.
Spyderco makes a hell of a knife (I EDC a PM2). I've never held a Spyderco flipper, but every Spydey I've ever handled has had more drag on the blade than I think should be there. In a flipper design, that's the Achilles heal. BUT, maybe they worked magic on their flippers, making them less draggy than their other designs.
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Not sure if you are aware of the ZT's the O.P. has listed in this thread as being the ones he is interested in but none of them are recurves.
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Not sure if you are aware of the ZT's the O.P. has listed in this thread as being the ones he is interested in but none of them are recurves.
Totally unaware. There are other (non-cosmetic/non-functional) reasons I don't buy ZT, but I digress
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I'm waiting on this. It has M390
An 801 with M390 and Carbon Fiber?
Any information or projected release date on this model?
That looks amazing!
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A release date would be nice, but I think you may have missed the boat on this one. I believe they have all been sold to pre-orders.