proficient at freehand sharpening?

A guided system taught me how to the feel for an edge hitting the stone at the proper angle, how an edge looks before, when it has a proper burr, and finally how to take off a burr. It also taught me how much pressure is needed to hog off steel and how much pressure to refine an edge.

Of course I had to learn the stroking technique independent of the system but I already knew what to expect and what I needed to accomplish on the edge.
 
A guided system taught me...

No reason to doubt that. Guided systems can teach us a lot. But the same things can be learned by learning and doing it free-hand. Nothing you list here (feel for an edge, proper angle, edge appearance, the world of the burr, pressure) is confined to a guided system. If anyone asks me how to learn sharpening, I will tell them to learn it free-hand from the very start. I see no reason to learn it one way, then learn it another way, especially when the other way (free-hand) involves a lot more independence from tools and tool systems. Get a stone, get an angle into your muscle memory and you're set for life.
 
Learning it 'freehand from the very start' is nice in a perfect world, IF you have a reliable source of instruction from the start. Some haven't been so lucky; I wasn't, and attempted to learn freehand for years with little progress. My epiphany came after picking up a guided system, which I'd actually owned and kept stored away for a few years, but didn't recognize for a long time how it might help me. I finally dug it out again and made myself stick with it long enough for it to help me learn the most important aspects of sharpening, like forming a burr. Forming the burr often can't happen if the user doesn't maintain the angle well, creating nothing but rounded and blunt edges which will never form burrs in the first place.

Learning freehand sharpening from the beginning is only as good or bad as learning golf by oneself, or learning to drive a car, or so many other parallels. If the source of instruction is good, results will be good. If not, one will be stuck for a long time learning and reinforcing nothing but counterproductive habits. The use of a guided system, for me, essentially 'cured' the one major thing I was doing badly for a long time, which was maintaining the angle. In seeing how much difference that made, it was the trigger that made the rest of it fall into place very quickly for me. It wasn't really an issue of first 'learing it one way, then learning it another way'. It was more about learning the correct way, of which using a guided system for a little while was the most effective teaching aid, for me.

All of us who've finally learned freehand can look back and say it should be easy, as the fundamentals of it really are easy, AFTER we've already learned it. But it's not so obvious until one goes down the path to learn it. And there are many ways to do that. Everybody learns differently, and some methods will help some people, but not everyone. Just do what works for you.


David
 
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There is obviously not a right or wrong here, the main thing is to get there. How one does that depends on all kinds of things, and a guided system, if it works for you and its results have you smiling in the morning, is great.

Still, if someone asks me -- and I'm asked this often --, I will not tell them to get a guided system, learn that, then progress from there to free-hand. I will recommend that they do their best to learn it free-hand from the start, either with the help of an expert in the room or through studying a good video on YouTube. Free-hand means that we have to learn to hold a constant angle; that is the foundation of everything that follows, that is what a guided system does for us, and that is what a guided system prevents us from learning independently. I doubt that working with a Sharpmaker is going to teach us that foundation any quicker or more efficiently than if we try to inform ourselves as best we can about the basics, then just start scraping a (cheap) knife across a stone and see where it takes us.
 
I sharpened my vg10 delica this morning on little worn dmt folding coarse sharpener.Was opening a package today in mail,and it went through package and in my leg,a little luckily not more.It was hair whittling sharp this morning,but with toothy edge,its unbelievable how it cuts.
 
45 or so years at it. I can put a good edge on pretty much anything.
No mirror-polishing for me though. Toothy is just how I roll.
I admire and respect a lot of your guys' abiltities :thumbup::)
 
Have been freehand sharpening knives for over 30 years now. Love to do it as a hobby and a little extra cash on the side sharpening for friends and what not. Freehanding puts me in a zen like state sometimes.
 
Been sharpening plane blades, chisels, knives etc. for a long time. A guide system can help some tools but the basic requirement is for a good set of large stones and/or diamond plates. A large double sided diamond plate will flatten your stones; crucial for plane blades not so much for knives. The new diamond plates save lots of time before moving onto stones. None of this is cheap but they last a very long time. Make your own leather strop.
Practice.....When you think you got it right put the knife down for a couple of days then when you look at it again the edge will be crap. Start again! Eventually you will be happy and get better.
 
No reason to doubt that. Guided systems can teach us a lot. But the same things can be learned by learning and doing it free-hand. Nothing you list here (feel for an edge, proper angle, edge appearance, the world of the burr, pressure) is confined to a guided system. If anyone asks me how to learn sharpening, I will tell them to learn it free-hand from the very start. I see no reason to learn it one way, then learn it another way, especially when the other way (free-hand) involves a lot more independence from tools and tool systems. Get a stone, get an angle into your muscle memory and you're set for life.

Learning it 'freehand from the very start' is nice in a perfect world, IF you have a reliable source of instruction from the start. Some haven't been so lucky; I wasn't, and attempted to learn freehand for years with little progress. My epiphany came after picking up a guided system, which I'd actually owned and kept stored away for a few years, but didn't recognize for a long time how it might help me. I finally dug it out again and made myself stick with it long enough for it to help me learn the most important aspects of sharpening, like forming a burr. Forming the burr often can't happen if the user doesn't maintain the angle well, creating nothing but rounded and blunt edges which will never form burrs in the first place.

Learning freehand sharpening from the beginning is only as good or bad as learning golf by oneself, or learning to drive a car, or so many other parallels. If the source of instruction is good, results will be good. If not, one will be stuck for a long time learning and reinforcing nothing but counterproductive habits. The use of a guided system, for me, essentially 'cured' the one major thing I was doing badly for a long time, which was maintaining the angle. In seeing how much difference that made, it was the trigger that made the rest of it fall into place very quickly for me. It wasn't really an issue of first 'learing it one way, then learning it another way'. It was more about learning the correct way, of which using a guided system for a little while was the most effective teaching aid, for me.

All of us who've finally learned freehand can look back and say it should be easy, as the fundamentals of it really are easy, AFTER we've already learned it. But it's not so obvious until one goes down the path to learn it. And there are many ways to do that. Everybody learns differently, and some methods will help some people, but not everyone. Just do what works for you.


David

David's post is exactly what my situation was. I had no access to good tutoring and although I had been sharpening knives for years, I didn't really know what sharp was. I got a guided system basically to get mirror bevels(hehehe) but the bonus was that I started to really find out what sharp was.
 
I have wanted a wicked edge for a while and will eventually spring for one, but in all honesty, I truly enjoy the zen of sharpening freehand so much that I'm in no hurry. My kit is simple: a diamond honer with a coarse and fine side, an Arkansas water stone and a leather strop that has green polishing compound on the rough side and wax on the smooth side. With these I can put a hair whittling mirror polished edge on anything.
It has taken me a long time to master, but nowadays I can re-profile an edge to visual perfection and once it's there, I just strop it whenever I have used it and it stays as sharp as any guided system could ever wish to achieve. The main reason I want a wicked edge is mainly for speed. It does take longer to do it freehand but it is an art and a meditation that is really enjoyable ☺

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Best piece of advice I can give if you want to get better at freehand sharpening is to use a sharpie. Look up some YouTube videos on how to do it. It will quickly improve your technique.

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I think the only way to judge how good you are at freehand is to answer one simple question:

Can I get the edge I want (repeatedly) in a time frame I am comfortable with, taking off the least amount of material as possible.

If that's you, then you get a "proficient" at sharpening tag! (None of this means you're anything more than as good as you need to be)
 
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