Pronghorn--high performance knife

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Last year in Sept. 2001 at the Blade West show,Phyllis and I spent quite some time late in the evening chatting with Ed Fowler about knives. During the time chatting, I had glued to my hand one of his smaller versions of the Pronghorn. Earlier in the day, I had visited with him and also bill Burke and had looked at their knives for the first time in person.

I'll admit, being primarily an "art knife" collector, I was not overly attracted to the Pronghorn visually but when holding it, and having gone to Ed's seminar where he related the virtues and features of his ideas behind the "high performance knife", I became more taken by this knife to the point of finally contacting Bill Burke and ordering a 3 1/2" Pronghorn with an expected delivery of August 2002.

Why not order a Fowler? Good question with 2 answers. Delivery time and cost.

Because we were already making another extended trip west which included a cruise to Alaska and 3 knife shows, we planned a stop at Bill's in Salmon, Idaho to pick up the knife which he advise was ready in an email of August 2002.

Upon arrival, we learned that he thought I'd get to his place Sept 14 (our departure for Alaska day) and the knife was a work in progress. He then showed me a larger version which I felt was just fine.

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Of course as many of you know, Bill often enters the cutting competitions and he showed me his new competitive knife that he has cut 11 1" hemp wrapped together with one stroke at the shop.

Last Sept. he and Ed told Phyllis and me how they are doing more interesting work with 52100 in forging and heat treating and that they have been able to consistently do 400 cuts of the 1/3 strand of the 1" rope.

But before we get to far into the story, lets look at some other images of this fine knife. Some brief statistics. It is 52100 forged with #12 leather sheath and brass guard with the traditional sheephorn handle. In this case Ramboulet sheep was used. The horn is shaped somewhat by Bill to fit to the hand. This partiular knife is 10 1/2" overall with slightly over a 5" blade. The widest part of the blade is 1 5/32" from a forged to 1/4" stock.

This side is the obverse with Bill's initials imprinted thereon.

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The reverse side: 2 views

note the temper line

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oops too many images they say. looks like a multi parted thread here
 
As you can see, the handle is quite large but this allows for grips for chopping, cutting and slicing including the use of the knife with a finger in front of the guard at the choil.

In another post so to be made, I'll show photos taken at the BAKCA show that have the same size knife by both Ed and Bill. Keep a look out for those.

One of the problems I have always found when carrying a knife is that with a straight handle, it tends to jab one in the ribs or side or just the "fatty" tissue of the body, especially when seated.

One thing that impresses me about this knife and one of the concepts of the high performance knife is the handle and its sheathing.

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note the pistol grip shape as the handle extends from the sheath. no jabbing but a positive approach available to removal of the knife from either a standing or seated position. I'm sure Ed's time on a horse was a major consideration for this idea. Even though the package is heavy compared to some knives/sheaths, it carries almost "weightlessly".

Back to cutting. I asked Bill to demo the rope slicing ability that he and Ed speak about. So, he started in to slice some rope.

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and he kept cutting to the point of 200 slices. He said it would easily go to 300 and with less that the 20lb. pressure allowed by ABA, would make 400 but time was not available. The 200 cuts took very few minutes and the pile looks like this.

On the floor

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then into a sandwich bag with the size of rope cut and the knife

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now that is quite a bag full of cut rope and it still shaved hair from his arm--tough to find much there though lol

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The Pronghorn will also do this

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that is dried elk horn.

Now I'm assuming that some of what Bill and Ed do has to do with technique and strength because I can't duplicate the feat with the knife as newly sharpened post testing by Bill.

I also have to admit I did try to do a cut of some rope I had tested earlier in the year with other knives. This rope is similar but seems to be more coarse but of slightly smaller diameter. Could not get the pronghorn to cleanly slice through it in one stroke either. So far the only knife to do so is the Brian Lyttle Dress Hunter.

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I am thrilled with this Pronghorn and almost bought the mate to it (an Ed Fowler). I have seen a couple of similar ones a 2 shows so it may yet be future acquisition.

I will be posting more about the shows seen and knives acquired either in Custom or Gallery.
 
Very nice, Murray, I've long admired the work of Fowler and Burke and wish I had the chance to give 'em a test drive like that.

(BTW, I merged the two threads for continuity and deleted the one you posted in error.)
 
thank for the comments, you see I "blew" it again when I reposted as I thought both part 2's were gone and I did not realize that they were combined. I had them combined to begin with but got a message that they would not post as one because of too many images. Heck, I love images. lol

Thanks for the help once again
 
Thanks for the post Murray...I always love seeing your photos.

Bill is a fine maker and a heck of a nice guy at that.

I would like to throw in my two cents though that I think people should focus on Bill in his own right and not simply in step with Ed. ABSOLUTELY no offense to Ed! I just mean that Bill is a fine maker and deserves some individual appreciation (IMHO).

I got to look this knife over when Murray brought it to our local show, and it's a very rugged, finely finished piece.

Thanks Murray!
Nick

*edited* to add that the Brian Lyttle piece is one of the most perfect knives I've ever seen.
 
absolutely correct in your assessment of both Bill and Brian. I'm really please to have their knives in my collection just as I am the great dagger I got from you.

Now, if only I'd have known about that damascus boot that I did not get of yours. You know how to give me nightmares for sure.

I'm sure I'll watch closely to see other ideas that Bill will create.

I'd love to sit in on a conversation between Brian, Bill and Ed. I'm sure it would be facinating even if I only understood a 1/10th of it.

I wore Bill's knife to all three shows that I attended this year and spent most of the time when Phyllis drove either sleeping or enjoying the tactile sensations of the Pronghorn.
 
Great post and story Murray. I know the knives you got to see and the one you own are fantastic performers as well as lookers in their unique way, even at that I am willing to bet the best part of the experience were the folks you got to meet.
 
had a great time meeting more knifemakers and collectors from across the country. Finally met a long time cyber friend--knife thrower, Matthew Rappaport, who helped me with comuting when I started 6 years ago.

will be submitting a photo and a quiz to see if anyone knows the maker soon

lots of shows and knives to share with all

one more great thing about Bill Burke's knives.

He has a blade without a handle. He attaches a temporary one to it for testing. It has cut the rope 600 YES six hundred times and he has also bent it 180 degrees 3 1/2 time and it currently is quite straight.

I tried to get him to put a handle on it and sell it to me. No Luck!! You see, our own Cliff Stamp will be stamping all over it with his rigourous testing and I'm sure it will get his stamp of approval. Darn, that would have been neat to have in the collection.
 
I too admire this style of knife, and am amazed at the performance of them. I did do a brief and wimpy search, but I cannot seem to find a web site for Mr. Bill Burke. Does anybody have any info for him?
Thanks,
Mongo
 
Ok. Murry,

My wife just stuck a needle in my ear and relieved the pressure so that I could see to write this post. It seems that she thought that my head was swollen to the bursting point.:D Anyway thanks for the kind words everyone. The test blade that Murry talked about has a three inch blade and all the standard "Fowler" treatments. Here is a picture.
 

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Mongo,

You couldn't find a web site because I don't have one. You can e-mail me or call me at 208-756-3797. I'm usually home after six p.m. Mountain time(I think that I'm an hour behind you), and on the weekends.

Murry,

Next time you come down we'll work on your rope cutting abilities.;)

Here is a couple more pictures:oops
 
Thanks for the wonderful write-up Murray. I have a soft spot for Pronghorns myself. That is a beauty that Bill made for you.

That bowie is fantastic.
 
Well, all of this talk about Bill's knives is killing me. I have one on the way as I type this. I had ordered the knife a while back but then some things changed. My wife went back to school for her masters and is a full time student. With out her income, money got a little thin. So unfortunately I had to email Bill and cancel the order. Bill wrote back and said that instead of doing that, he would keep my name on the list incase things changed when the knife was actually done but I was under no obligation. Well when the knife was done he emailed and asked if I still wanted it. I had to turn him down at first but it did finally work out in the end. Now it is on the way, and I can't wait. And I have to say that Bill was great throughout the entire process. I would not hesitate to order another knife from him and I count myself lucky to have this one coming.

Rich
 
Originally posted by Murray White
...I also have to admit I did try to do a cut of some rope I had tested earlier in the year with other knives. This rope is similar but seems to be more coarse but of slightly smaller diameter. Could not get the pronghorn to cleanly slice through it in one stroke either. So far the only knife to do so is the Brian Lyttle Dress Hunter.

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Wow that Dress hunter is SLEEK looking, met Brian and what a character he is! his knives are very well made sharp! Nice one there, the other is strong looking as well!
G2
 
The Bowie is one of the most beautiful I have ever seen a picture of.

I got to handle a Bill Burke knife at the Tulsa gun and knife show last weekend, and I was greatly impressed.
 
Jose,

The spacer is desert iron wood with nickle siver and black spacers between the wood and horn/gaurd. Specs are; 8 1/2 inch blade 1/4 inch thick were it leaves the guard. and it is an inch and a half deep. the handle is about five and a half inches long from a rocky mountain elk.
 
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