Proposed Federal Law Banning Many Pocket Knives

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From Doug Ritter:

PROPOSED U.S. RULE WOULD MAKE MANY POCKETKNIVES ILLEGAL

This email is just a heads up to Knife Rights members and supporters about a very critical and important development that jeopardizes your right to own and carry pocket knives. PLEASE DO NOT ACT YET! Word is reaching the street via forums and other means and we want to make sure the true facts are known as there are many inaccurate rumors circulating. Many of the emails we have received are inaccurate or full of hyperbole. Any knee jerk or inappropriate reaction will endanger our cause, not help it. Please wait until your organization has developed appropriate and effective responses in order that you are taken seriously by the relevant authorities. I cannot overemphasize how critical this is, DO NOT WRITE YET, PLEASE!

Now, on to the issue:

U.S. Customs just about a week ago proposed revoking earlier rulings and years of precedence that assisted opening knives are not switchblades; that, in and of itself is bad enough. However, the proposed new rule would not only outlaw assisted opening knives, its overly broad new interpretation of what is a switchblade (automatic) knife could also easily be interpreted to include all one-handed opening knives and even most other pocket knives. All knife owners could be impacted by this ill-conceived change to existing policy. We will have much more information on the historical issues and the like in coming days as we organize our response.

Please note that Customs' interpretation of the Federal Switchblade Act forms the basis for national, state and even local law and judicial rulings in many cases. The effect is NOT limited to just imports. This would be a devastating blow to our rights and to the entire knife making community. It has the potential to make criminals of millions of law-abiding citizens and put thousands of workers on the street. This is no joke, this is not just hype, and this is the real thing.

Knife Rights, in cooperation with AKTI and the affected knife manufacturers, is formulating a well-reasoned and effective response. We will all be asking for an extension to the ridiculously short 30-day comment period. We anticipate that some extension will be granted, hopefully for a meaningful period. Part of the reason for the extension is to allow us to adequately inform and advise the millions of knife owners who might be affected. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND JUST YET. This would be extremely counterproductive. We still have plenty of time to do this right and stop this travesty, but we must proceed intelligently and at the correct time with the best possible arguments. DO NOT JUMP THE GUN!

Within the next week we will post a sample letter and talking points for your use. At that time we will ask you to write and MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD! Please, do not respond earlier, it will be extremely counterproductive.

In the meantime, we are making the full 63 page document available to you to read for yourself. Again, while we understand your frustration, please do not write just yet.
http://www.kniferights.org/U S Customs Proposed Ruling - Assisted Opening Knives.pdf

This is the reason why Knife Rights exists; this is why we formed the organization. We didn't know where or how the attack would come, but we knew it was only a matter of time. We are here for you and will keep you informed.

Doug Ritter
dritter@KnifeRights.org
 
Although I'm extremely unhappy, this doesn't come as a surprise. The letter of the law prohibits autos and gravity knives, but I suspect the spirit of the law is to ban one-hand openers because back then they were the only types of one-hand openers around.

I just don't understand the timing of this push. Has there been a rash of muggings or murders committed with AOs and flippers that I don't know about? Has there been another columbine where many people were killed with folders?
 
I just don't understand why they feel it's necessary? I mean, what are they honestly accomplishing by putting this forward other than making a huge mess for themselves and for others with no benefit? :rolleyes: Why is it the fate of all government to meddle in the affairs of what the average joe carries in their pockets in the first place? Hasn't state regulation been enough already?
 
What about the impact on Kershaw, Buck, CRKT, SOG, and many other companies that produce assisted openers? Even companies that don't produce AO's like Spyderco would come under fire if their knives did not pass the flick test. These companies would suddenly be sitting on tons of federally contraband weapons. :(
 
The thing that seems funny to me:

LEO's and military can carry automatic knives, so someone must see the utility in them, but these tools are not allowed to be used by law abiding citizens, and policy-makers feel the need to take things further by outlawing one-handed opening knives.
 
Was there a recent uptick in stabbings with rapidly opened knives? Seems like a heavy-handed, draconian solution to a non-existent problem.
 
Was there a recent uptick in stabbings with rapidly opened knives? Seems like a heavy-handed, draconian solution to a non-existent problem.

No more than there were bayonetings when they banned the importation of SKS with attached bayonets. There are millions of AO knives in circulation. The enforcement of any sort of law like the one being proposed would be a nighmare. There is the issue of not enacting ex post facto law. How can you grandfather in all the existing knives? If you owned a machine gun prior to the enactment of the 1986 Firearms Owner's Protection Act, it was grandfathered in. I wonder if it will be called the Knife Owners Protection Act, complete with a boom in sales of AO knives and 1000% increases in sales prices. If you never wanted to own an AO knife, suddenly they become indispensable? It must have been a slow day in some legislative body, for this doozy of a law to have been dreamt up.
 
It must have been a slow day in some legislative body, for this doozy of a law to have been dreamt up.

Just to clarify, this is not a legislative action. It is an enforcement decision being made by administrators at the Department of Homeland Security. They had previously interpreted the law one way (i.e. AO knives are not switchblades) and now they are choosing to interpret it another way: AO knives are switchblades.
 
The thing that seems funny to me:

LEO's and military can carry automatic knives, so someone must see the utility in them, but these tools are not allowed to be used by law abiding citizens, and policy-makers feel the need to take things further by outlawing one-handed opening knives.

some can carry them.

im not allowed to carry an auto. an agency or military unit must have a specific policy allowing the carry of autos on duty for official use.
 
When can we expct this to happen, i am canadian should i be stockin up on my fave spydies?

Sixheads
 
The thing that seems funny to me:

LEO's and military can carry automatic knives, so someone must see the utility in them, but these tools are not allowed to be used by law abiding citizens, and policy-makers feel the need to take things further by outlawing one-handed opening knives.
LEOs can carry a loaded firearm anywhere in the United States, thanks to a federal law signed by Bush a few years ago. LEOs are privileged. Civilian sheeple are not.:mad:
 
some can carry them.

im not allowed to carry an auto. an agency or military unit must have a specific policy allowing the carry of autos on duty for official use.
You are not missing anything. My 4" Cold Steel "Voyager" opens as fast as an auto and I do not have a lot of practice doing this. A true knife expert could easily beat my time. I am sure that you are very familiar with your EDC knife and can open it very quickly. Besides, autos have more parts that are subject to breakage and wear, usually at the worst possible time.
 
While this issue concerns me very much, people are ready this wrong. US Customs is not and can not ban the ownership or carrying of a switchblade or assisted opening knife. They are proposing a ban on the importation of assisted opening knives and as stated are incorrectly using the 50's ban on switchblades as thier guideline to classify assised openers as switchblades.

With a ban on importation of switchblades already in effect how hard is it really being enforced? I have seen dozens of web sites advertising "Real Italian" switchblades for sale and I know for a fact they are availible.

We should all be vigilant and make sure we watch the issue carefully, but the ever present "The sky is falling" reaction to issues like this does not help solve the problem. Support the organizations that fight for our rights and make sure you pay attention to where your Congressmen and Representatives stand on the issues you care about when you vote.

Oh and if you don't vote then you may be part of the problem and not the solution.
 
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Although the initial draft appears to be only directed at AO-type knives, the language used in the revocation letters (Attachments E-H) pretty clearly indicates that flippers will be considered verboten as well.

The knives at issue open via inertia – once pressure is applied to the
thumb stud (or protrusion at the base of the blade), the blade continues in
inertial motion (caused by the combined effect of manual and springassisted
pressure) until it is stopped by the locking mechanism of the knife.
Such knives open instantly for potential use as a weapon.

It also appears that they are liberally applying the definition used to prohibit those silly Spetnaz daggers in a way never intended:

In HQ 115725, dated July 22, 2002, CBP determined that a ‘‘dual-blade
folding knife’’ in which the ‘‘non-serrated blade is spring-assisted [and] is
opened fully by the action of the spring after the user has pushed the
thumb-knob protruding from the base of the blade near the handle to approximately
45 degrees from the handle’’ ‘‘is clearly a switchblade as defined
in § 12.95(a)(4) (Knives with a detachable blade that is propelled by a
spring-operated mechanism and components thereof.)’’

So if my knife can be disassembled and the blade removed (read: just about every folding knife that isn't a slipjoint), it can not have an AO mechanism? Pretty scary prospect.
 
1. I just don't understand why they feel it's necessary? I mean, what are they honestly accomplishing by putting this forward other than making a huge mess for themselves and for others with no benefit? :rolleyes:
2. Why is it the fate of all government to meddle in the affairs of what the average joe carries in their pockets in the first place? Hasn't state regulation been enough already?

1. I don't understand why you're even asking this question. "Necessary" has nothing to do with it...except as a ploy to con us into thinking they HAD to do it.

2. You answered your own question #1 here. It is the fate of government to grow in controlling the population. They do that thru laws, regs, and rulings. Yes, state regulation has been enough, but that has no bearing on WHY they're doing it.

Overall, you seem to think that government is rational and reasonable.
It is not. Gov't is a machine which cares nothing about who it grinds up in its gears.

As the laws/rulings of a nation grow in number and complexity, that country marches toward slavery.
When no one can possibly comply with all the fine print of all the laws, everyone is a criminal, available for arrest at any time on the whim of the 'officials'.
 
Leftists despise freedom (because, in their view, it naturally results in the oppression of the underclass), and knives are one manifestation of freedom.

I don't disagree that leftists dispise freedom. But I think they do so because they do not trust the 'underclass' to run their own affairs. They know what's best for you, whether you like it or not.

My last couple of posts on this thread may have smacked of politics, but I think this AO ruling is political rather than rational. Someone in the gov't has a political agenda and is attempting to re-write history via new 'interpretations' in order to make it comply.

Unless we restrict our posts to "Who do we write to to complain?" questions, most every post will have some politics in it.
 
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