Protech warranty service feedback requested

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Let me preface this by saying that I am not intending this to bash any individuals or companies, I just have some questions and would appreciate some feedback.

It started last night as I was checking on all of my regular knife retailer's websites for new products as I normally do a couple of times a day. I got to one and noticed that they had the new Strider/Protech collaboration. Now, I have a couple of gripes about that colab, mainly about it having a non-lock related steel back side that serves no real purpose, but that is a story for another time. To the point, I read the description and statistics and everything and at the bottom of the description it said this:

"Note: This is a ProTech product and therefore ProTech will cover all warranty work. However, don't fret, ProTech has an outstanding warranty and reputation for great service. For details CLICK HERE."

The "click here" link takes you here: http://www.protechknives.com/knives/warranty.asp

Upon reading their warranty policy it states:

"Return Policy
Automatic knives (with the exception of 2 inch blades in California) returned for warranty consideration must include a copy of the owner's military or police I.D."

Now, I understand that every company has warranty policies, some we may be happy with, others we may not fully agree with and that it's important to know this info prior to purchase, however, it brings this glaring question up in my head. Does Protech really believe or intend for all of their vast line of automatic knives to be sold only to military members and law enforcement? That just doesn't seem like a realistic business model.

After looking through Protech's product line it is clear that the vast majority of their products are automatic knives. Some of these knives would be appropriate for military and law enforcement use but there are also a huge number of what I would consider to be art knives or collection pieces or even just regular EDC knives, likely intended for the "regular joe". I am not saying that mil/LEO's don't collect knives but they probably aren't the majority here. I think that it is reasonable to assume that everyone that owns a protech isn't just military or law enforcement.

So, I guess my question is why is such a limited policy in place when it is obvious that all of their intended customer base is not going to be only mil/leo and what are the regular guys or customers who are no longer mil/leo going to do if their knife is broken? Are they doomed to asking a buddy to falsely send the knife in for them, do they have to send it to a "pimper" to fix it or are they just stuck with a broken knife? I also realize that some retailers might take the knife back and send it in for you but that can't be the only legitimate source for repair work according to the manufacturer.

Do any of you have experience with this issue, know why this policy is in place or know what the every day workaround would entail if you had a broken auto? Any feedback is appreciated, thanks.
 
There is a federal law that prohibits shipping autos across state lines. Some retailers will ship them anyway. Benchmade has the same policy as does Protech on service of autos. Not sure about Microtech.
 
If and when you send a knife in for warranty work have a dealer send your knife in and when they get it back from warranty they can send it back to you.
 
I wrote protech several months ago about possible warranty for a rockeye and expressed concerns about sending it in not being a first responder and they autos are legal here. They said as long as autos are legal where you are they will send it back. If they aren't legal send it to a dealer to send in
 
Here is the email

On May 28, 2014 12:49 PM, "ProTech Customer Service" <service@protechknives.com> wrote:
Good morning Joshua,
There shouldn't be any issues sending your knife in for service/repair.
The warranty statement is for the worst case scenario; as long as it is a
Pro-Tech knife we can service it.
We are unable to ship automatics to the states of Washington, New York or
outside the US.

We do not recommend the knife to be taken apart for in doing so it voids the
warranty and a $25.00 reassembly fee will be applied.

The Rockeye is a great knife and we hope you are able to purchase and enjoy
it.

Thank you and have a great day,
Mapi Cortez
Customer Service
17115 Alburtis Ave.
Artesia, CA 90701
Phone: 562.860.0678
Fax: 562.860.8510

www.protechknives.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Rickman [mailto:jwrickma@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:33 PM
To: service@protechknives.com
Subject: Service question


Hello,

I'm considering purchasing my first protech knife. Automatic knives are
legal to own and carry here in South Carolina and I'm wondering that if I
have to send it in for warranty if I'll run into any issues due to the fact
that I'm not Leo, emt, or military. I saw you web page required such
documentation to be sent in. This is pretty much the make or break issue
for me on purchasing the george/protech rockeye I've been looking at......
If I can't get it serviced if I have an issue there is really no reason for
me to buy one. Hope to hear back soon!

Thanks
Joshua Rickman
 
State law is irrelevant to the legality - or illegality - of shipping an auto across state lines. That is strictly a matter of federal law.

Whoever knowingly introduces, or manufactures for introduction, into interstate commerce, or transports or distributes in interstate commerce, any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(Pub. L. 85–623, §2, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562.)

§1244. Exceptions
Sections 1242 and 1243 of this title shall not apply to—
(1) any common carrier or contract carrier [as contrasted with its customer who uses them to ship the knife], with respect to any switchblade knife shipped, transported, or delivered for shipment in interstate commerce in the ordinary course of business;
(2) the manufacture, sale, transportation, distribution, possession, or introduction into interstate commerce, of switchblade knives pursuant to contract with the Armed Forces;
(3) the Armed Forces or any member or employee thereof acting in the performance of his duty;
(4) the possession, and transportation upon his person, of any switchblade knife with a blade three inches or less in length by any individual who has only one arm; or
(5) a knife that contains a spring, detent, or other mechanism designed to create a bias toward closure of the blade and that requires exertion applied to the blade by hand, wrist, or arm to overcome the bias toward closure to assist in opening the knife [i.e., "assisted opening" knife]

If you expect a company to ship you a switchblade from another state and none of the exceptions apply, you are expecting them to commit a felony. When the knife arrives, it is subject to confiscation as contraband.

Except for the specific exception for assisted-opening knives, that has been the law since 1958.

Other than that, all sunshine and roses.
 
it looks like you have your answer from Thomas, :-)
ProTech has to limit their exposure and thus will have their policy stated.

Myself, I'm a citizen of the United States and a free man and I choose to live my life as a free man.
So I don't worry to much about ridiculous laws, if I want to carry an automatic, I do so even in this nanny state I live in.
and I've bought and sold several autos and shipped them across the US.

as far as ProTech as a company, I live about a mile from their shop and they are good people.
Dave is a good man and I think they will always take care of you.
They have taken good care of my son and his ProTech autos.

I personally don't have any of their knives, but my son has about 5 ProTechs
I wouldn't hesitate to get the ProTech you want and I reccomend them.

regards
 
Thanks for the feedback everyone.

So my real takeaway here is that they have to have that blanket statement on their website for legal purposes, but they may actually fix your knife if you are in a state that allows it, although technically, it might be illegal to ship it back and forth. I don't have the luxury of living right down from the road from them so I can't just stroll down there and have my knife fixed.

I guess there are still a few things to consider before buying one.
 
Sure. It's all wink, wink, nod, nod, let's pretend --- until the hammer comes down.

American Law Newswire - United States Attorney Scott N. Schools announced that Spyderco, Inc., a Colorado corporation, pleaded guilty and was sentenced today to mailing butterfly knives, which are nonmailable, to pay a $75,000 criminal fine, a $125 special assessment, and to forfeit all such knives seized by the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement from its corporate offices in Golden, Colorado (estimated to be valued at over $400,000). The guilty plea and sentence is the result of an investigation by United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement ("ICE").

In pleading guilty, Spyderco admitted that from June 2005 through January 2007, it had mailed butterfly knives, after importing the knife components from Taipei, Taiwan, through the Port of San Francisco and the Port of Oakland, to Golden, Colorado. The U.S. Customs and Border Patrol had issued a ruling to Spyderco holding that these knives fit the definition of "switchblade knives" as an imported knife "with a blade which opens automatically by operation of inertia, gravity, or both" and were therefore not allowed into the United States pursuant to the Switchblade Knife Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1241-1245, and were further not to be mailed in the United States.

Story is incorrect as the prohibition is not only on mailing but on transportation across state lines unless one of the narrow exceptions applies.
 
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