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Proto Question
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Jerry Busse
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Yowza! 
Lots of speculation here. . . Hopefully I can clear this issue up for those who are concerned about the Proto offerings.
Sometimes there are custom protos (one or two of a kind) and other times there are production protos. . . Sometimes the production protos are mil. designs that don't get selected in favor of a different design. . . .other times they are designs that are really close to the originals but lose out in the end to the other design. . . etc. . . Most companies won't run less than 500 blades once they have invested in the tooling and programs needed to run a particular knife. We ran less than 50 by running them through our custom shop.
In this case, we made approx. 45 each of the FBM Protos and FSH Protos. We then put 5 different handle combos on them, greatly reducing the number of any given combo. Some color combos are less than 8 pieces with the largest color combo, so far, being the 11 pieces from Blade West. A mere 5 Proto blades is not really a "Cash Cow" for Busse Combat, or the Busse Custom Shop. . . .
They are very unique with their custom, hand shaped handles and are very limited in quantity. We did not put them out as customs because they were so limited in numbers and our customs are not usually that limited. Less than 15 FBM Protos and less than 20 FSH Protos were available this time. The remaining FBM Protos and FSH protos will be offered in an upcoming 'ganzaaa with different handles. All in all, these knives are rarer than hen's teeth and should prove to be VERY collectible. Bottom line is, they are killer designs and really need to be beaten to be appreciated. . . :thumbup:
We try to be as straight forward as possible with our offerings and I certainly apologize if you were somehow given the impression that there are literally hundreds of these Protos being made. That simply is NOT the case.
Congrats to those who scored and good luck to those who try to score on the next and final offering. :thumbup:
Jerry
Lots of speculation here. . . Hopefully I can clear this issue up for those who are concerned about the Proto offerings.Sometimes there are custom protos (one or two of a kind) and other times there are production protos. . . Sometimes the production protos are mil. designs that don't get selected in favor of a different design. . . .other times they are designs that are really close to the originals but lose out in the end to the other design. . . etc. . . Most companies won't run less than 500 blades once they have invested in the tooling and programs needed to run a particular knife. We ran less than 50 by running them through our custom shop.
In this case, we made approx. 45 each of the FBM Protos and FSH Protos. We then put 5 different handle combos on them, greatly reducing the number of any given combo. Some color combos are less than 8 pieces with the largest color combo, so far, being the 11 pieces from Blade West. A mere 5 Proto blades is not really a "Cash Cow" for Busse Combat, or the Busse Custom Shop. . . .
They are very unique with their custom, hand shaped handles and are very limited in quantity. We did not put them out as customs because they were so limited in numbers and our customs are not usually that limited. Less than 15 FBM Protos and less than 20 FSH Protos were available this time. The remaining FBM Protos and FSH protos will be offered in an upcoming 'ganzaaa with different handles. All in all, these knives are rarer than hen's teeth and should prove to be VERY collectible. Bottom line is, they are killer designs and really need to be beaten to be appreciated. . . :thumbup:
We try to be as straight forward as possible with our offerings and I certainly apologize if you were somehow given the impression that there are literally hundreds of these Protos being made. That simply is NOT the case.
Congrats to those who scored and good luck to those who try to score on the next and final offering. :thumbup:
Jerry
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Ok..
Well said Jerry. .
Good to know there is not hundreds of protos floating around..:thumbup:
Well said Jerry. .
Good to know there is not hundreds of protos floating around..:thumbup:
isn't a prototype ONE knife made in a certain blade/handle configuration? Doesn't the fact that the blade is labbeled Prototype attest to it's uniqueness?
I don't understand why you would produce more then one "prototype" of a certain knife, if the sole purpose of the production of the prototype is the fact that it shows a certain bladestyle and handle style or lock in case of a folder.
How many identical "prototypes" of the same knife do you need to handle as a manufacturer or customer to form an impression of the knife?
Shouldn't they be labeled "1 of 5" or "limited run" instead of prototype?
And isn't a prototype supposed to stay in the personel collection of the manufacturer/designer, or be sold as an "one of one" unique piece.
I hope the whole Busse hype with their binge buying, vaganza's and speculating on scarcity and future value doesn't turns out to be a "Bubble" in a few years.
"from Forbes Investopedia"
"A bubble is a type of investing phenomenon that demonstrates the frailty of some facets of human emotion. A bubble occurs when investors put so much demand on a stock that they drive the price beyond any accurate or rational reflection of its actual worth, which should be determined by the performance of the underlying company. Like the soap bubbles a child likes to blow, investing bubbles often appear as though they will rise forever, but since they are not formed from anything substantial, they eventually pop. And when they do, the money that was invested into them dissipates into the wind."
And yes, part of my post is out of frustration because the availability of a Busse is limited or even impossible for the average Joe. Whenever a new Busse blade turns on the market it is gone before the blink of an eye and you will be only able to aquire the knife from "the grabbers" for inflated prices or "will trade for other Busses only".
I don't understand why you would produce more then one "prototype" of a certain knife, if the sole purpose of the production of the prototype is the fact that it shows a certain bladestyle and handle style or lock in case of a folder.
How many identical "prototypes" of the same knife do you need to handle as a manufacturer or customer to form an impression of the knife?
Shouldn't they be labeled "1 of 5" or "limited run" instead of prototype?
And isn't a prototype supposed to stay in the personel collection of the manufacturer/designer, or be sold as an "one of one" unique piece.
I hope the whole Busse hype with their binge buying, vaganza's and speculating on scarcity and future value doesn't turns out to be a "Bubble" in a few years.
"from Forbes Investopedia"
"A bubble is a type of investing phenomenon that demonstrates the frailty of some facets of human emotion. A bubble occurs when investors put so much demand on a stock that they drive the price beyond any accurate or rational reflection of its actual worth, which should be determined by the performance of the underlying company. Like the soap bubbles a child likes to blow, investing bubbles often appear as though they will rise forever, but since they are not formed from anything substantial, they eventually pop. And when they do, the money that was invested into them dissipates into the wind."
And yes, part of my post is out of frustration because the availability of a Busse is limited or even impossible for the average Joe. Whenever a new Busse blade turns on the market it is gone before the blink of an eye and you will be only able to aquire the knife from "the grabbers" for inflated prices or "will trade for other Busses only".
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Yowza!
Sometimes there are custom protos (one or two of a kind) and other times there are production protos. . . Sometimes the production protos are mil. designs that don't get selected in favor of a different design. . . .other times they are designs that are really close to the originals but lose out in the end to the other design. . . etc. . . Most companies won't run less than 500 blades once they have invested in the tooling and programs needed to run a particular knife. We ran less than 50 by running them through our custom shop.
In this case, we made approx. 45 each of the FBM Protos and FSH Protos. We then put 5 different handle combos on them, greatly reducing the number of any given combo. Some color combos are less than 8 pieces with the largest color combo, so far, being the 11 pieces from Blade West. A mere 5 Proto blades is not really a "Cash Cow" for Busse Combat, or the Busse Custom Shop. . . .
They are very unique with their custom, hand shaped handles and are very limited in quantity. We did not put them out as customs because they were so limited in numbers and our customs are not usually that limited. Less than 15 FBM Protos and less than 20 FSH Protos were available this time. The remaining FBM Protos and FSH protos will be offered in an upcoming 'ganzaaa with different handles. All in all, these knives are rarer than hen's teeth and should prove to be VERY collectible. Bottom line is, they are killer designs and really need to be beaten to be appreciated. . . :thumbup:
We try to be as straight forward as possible with our offerings and I certainly apologize if you were somehow given the impression that there are literally hundreds of these Protos being made. That simply is NOT the case.
Congrats to those who scored and good luck to those who try to score on the next and final offering. :thumbup:
Jerry
Thanks for the clarification Boss!!! :thumbup:
Now... I REALLY hope, more so than ever, that I score the FBM & FSH Proto "set" in this ganzaaaa!!! :thumbup:
And the next, and next.
Oh... and please throw in an extra green FBM Proto so I have one to beat on!
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I for one am extremely happy that there were more than one of the previous FBM prototype offered so that I could snag one.
Furthermore, I would have no problem at all with the Custom Shop manufacturing a small run of copies of a prototype and labeling them prototypes. That is exactly what they would be - a very limited run of a prototype blade that did not make it into production, but that was interesting enough to deserve being in circulation. I can see no downside to the present practice.
Now then, if Jerry had offered a one of a kind prototype for big bucks, sold it, then offered copies at a reduced price, that would be messing over the original buyer, but he has not done that.
I also fail to understand the idea that blades should only be sold if the "average joe" can afford and get one. The are lots of exotic cars that I cannot afford, but i do not resent thier existence. I cannot afford to collect every variation and color combination of everything offered, but I can occassionally buy something I like.
I consider my FBM prototype a bargain at the price I paid. If I didn't I would not have bought it. I did not try to snag any of last Saturday's prototype offerings simply because I am not fond of recurves, but I don't resent those who did buy. As I have said before, I am in this Busse thing for fun, and if it weren't fun I wouldn't be doing it. If it isn't fun for you, well then just go do something that is!
Furthermore, I would have no problem at all with the Custom Shop manufacturing a small run of copies of a prototype and labeling them prototypes. That is exactly what they would be - a very limited run of a prototype blade that did not make it into production, but that was interesting enough to deserve being in circulation. I can see no downside to the present practice.
Now then, if Jerry had offered a one of a kind prototype for big bucks, sold it, then offered copies at a reduced price, that would be messing over the original buyer, but he has not done that.
I also fail to understand the idea that blades should only be sold if the "average joe" can afford and get one. The are lots of exotic cars that I cannot afford, but i do not resent thier existence. I cannot afford to collect every variation and color combination of everything offered, but I can occassionally buy something I like.
I consider my FBM prototype a bargain at the price I paid. If I didn't I would not have bought it. I did not try to snag any of last Saturday's prototype offerings simply because I am not fond of recurves, but I don't resent those who did buy. As I have said before, I am in this Busse thing for fun, and if it weren't fun I wouldn't be doing it. If it isn't fun for you, well then just go do something that is!
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Yes, the Busse group distribution can seem challenging to newcomers. However, IMO, this is probably the best time there has ever been to score INFI. Between the Exchange here and eBay, a patient buyer can score some models at near cost. True, some models have jumped in value, but if you wanted a CG FBM, you can get that hunk-o-INFI for original issue cost or below. You are not likely to see such bargains in the future. Have you tried poosting a WTB? Good luck in your quest.
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Way to go Mulder, stirring the pot!!!!!
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Pot stirring complete. :thumbup:
Now it's time to turn up the HEAT.
Yowza!
Sometimes there are custom protos (one or two of a kind) and other times there are production protos. . . Sometimes the production protos are mil. designs that don't get selected in favor of a different design. . . .other times they are designs that are really close to the originals but lose out in the end to the other design. . . etc. . . Most companies won't run less than 500 blades once they have invested in the tooling and programs needed to run a particular knife. We ran less than 50 by running them through our custom shop.
In this case, we made approx. 45 each of the FBM Protos and FSH Protos. We then put 5 different handle combos on them, greatly reducing the number of any given combo. Some color combos are less than 8 pieces with the largest color combo, so far, being the 11 pieces from Blade West. A mere 5 Proto blades is not really a "Cash Cow" for Busse Combat, or the Busse Custom Shop. . . .
They are very unique with their custom, hand shaped handles and are very limited in quantity. We did not put them out as customs because they were so limited in numbers and our customs are not usually that limited. Less than 15 FBM Protos and less than 20 FSH Protos were available this time. The remaining FBM Protos and FSH protos will be offered in an upcoming 'ganzaaa with different handles. All in all, these knives are rarer than hen's teeth and should prove to be VERY collectible. Bottom line is, they are killer designs and really need to be beaten to be appreciated. . . :thumbup:
We try to be as straight forward as possible with our offerings and I certainly apologize if you were somehow given the impression that there are literally hundreds of these Protos being made. That simply is NOT the case.
Congrats to those who scored and good luck to those who try to score on the next and final offering. :thumbup:
Jerry
Jerry,
The only remaining questions are where do the Proto's, marked "FBM Proto" from the Spring Knob Creek ganza fit in and how many of each color are there??
Thanks,
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I think I need medical assistance!!
I am having trouble breathing!!
Did the Boss just specifically state how many of a model of knife was made???
WTF is this world coming to?
Once I regain my composure I am going to sell of my stocks and buy plenty of bottled water.
I am having trouble breathing!!
Did the Boss just specifically state how many of a model of knife was made???
WTF is this world coming to?
Once I regain my composure I am going to sell of my stocks and buy plenty of bottled water.